Hi. Here are the first photos from my pilot busts from Andy. I like that "little" busts but they are not ready at the moment. Many things left to do. I often use the photos to see where I had to correct some mistakes and what looks wrong.

The uniform is nearly finished, the faces and the hairs not. There are many things to do.

So now it your parts with the first comments.

Ulrich

This may sound sophmoric...but could someone please tell me: what is the measurement of a bust like this, from chin to hairline? Not scale; in inches (or MM,,,either is fine...I'm an international kind of guy).
And: is this the common size...if there are others, what would they measure?
My deepest appreciation...

The whole figure is 81 mm high. From chin until end of the head 21mm. Andy said the scale is 1:10

Both has the same measurement. I know that Andy had made some more and think that is will be the same.

Ulrich

The scale is a little smaller than 1/10 in fact its more like 1/12.
Andy

Carl: I could be but in that case it is the base color. I try to paint it like a washing but sometimes I am a little bit impatient and so I only paint it in onetime where it would better to paint it in twice

Ulrich

P.S.: But you can see it only on the photo or you use magnifying glasses

Ulrich

I would suggest a couple of color changes on both of your busts. Both the M-15 Kleinerrock for Voss and the M-15 Bluse for Udet would have the "apple green" collar. Voss initially started the war with the 11. Husar Rgt. For the Kleinerrock for that unit, the rectangular collar tab and the shoulder board piping would be a medium to dark green (contrasting from the apple green collar) and the buttons would be silver. Currently, your color combination for Voss is that of the field artillery (red tabs, red piping and brass buttons). For Udet, the piping on the boards should be "mouse gray" for the air service (and some other units) vs. white which was for infantry, and the buttons would be a dull silver.

Regards

Dave

Dave. Thanks you very much. I have found no information about Udet, so I use white. But I will change it into mouse grey.

I know that Voss was member of the "Tanzhusaren" the 2. Westfälisches Husarenregiment 11. I found in a book that the "Kolpak" was "ponceaured" and the sholderstraps "Dunkelgrün/Weiß" = darkgreen and white at the attila. So I use red.

You find red piping not only for the artillery, some Ulan-Regiments for example had red piping at the uniform too

Can you tell me your source for your color-informations?

I think I will have a look too and will change it into "Dunkelgrün"

Ulrich

Ulrich and Piet

This is a scan of a contemporary reference, Feldgrau in Krieg und Frieden; 2 Teil, Offiziere und Beamte for the 1915 uniforms by Otto Weiss. I have been collecting feldgrau and imperial headgear for 20 years and have an extensive reference library for both, so if you have any other questions, let me know. For the 1915 regs, the field artillery (exc Garde FA) would have a red base only. As you said, there are a few ulan regiments that had red piping and would have had the red collar tabs, also. However, for the 1915 regs for the Kleinerrock as a rule, all ulan regiments used the base red collar tab and base red shoulder board piping, but would also have a secondary piping border (tab and strap) based on their original shoulder strap color.

Regards

Dave



From top to bottom, the Friedensuniform, Bluse and Kleinerrock

Dave.

Thank you very much for your efforts. Your answer confirmed with the information in the book "Imperial german field uniforms and equipment 1907 - 1918" from Johan Somers. Here I found a list where the Piping of the Rock of the 11th hussars is Scarlet and the patches are darkgreen

So I had to change the colors.

That is what I love at this forum. Here you can get many informations.

Thanks again Dave


Ulrich

Btw. I think I will try to get the book "Feldgrau in Krieg und Frieden"

Ulrich

If you truly want to be the "imperial feldgrau wizard" on your block, the definitive "bible" for feldgrau is "die Feldgrau Uniformierung des deutschen Heeres 1907-1918" by Jurgen Kraus. The first copies were sold as a two volume set in a limited production in the 1980s. Since then, they were sought after by historians and collectors alike and when found, cost a high price (200 Euro and up). Fortunately, the set was reissued last year by Verlag Militaria (www.militaria.at), but still has a hefty price of 170 Euro. By the way, portions of the 3 volume original Otto Weiss booklets ( which only deal with prussian units) which I own, are copied and incorporated into the Jurgen Kraus book, as well as the other states.

I have found a couple of minor inaccuracies, but all in all, if you want to have one reference for feldgrau, this is it.

Regards

Dave

Dave.

I know that books and have had a look at the earlier two book-version in our library. So the three "new" books are on my wishing list for "christmas" or perhaps earlier.

Thanks again

Ulrich

Piet:

I had never really thought about it before, but after looking at several pictures of Voss wearing Litzen in his regulation Bluse (11 H.R would not), it would make sense that Mannschaften or Unteroffiziere transfering into the Air Service would wear that uniform, and if promoted to Lt.d. Res, would retain that uniform. Also, in looking at pictures of Udet as an NCO, he is wearing the uniform for the Air Service although he started out the war as a dispatch rider for the 26.Res. Division. Once he was promoted to Lt.d.Res., he wore the the litzen of the Air Service on his officer's Bluse.

The bottom line in this is, I now believe the collar tabs and shoulder board piping for Voss should be mouse gray and the buttons, silver.

Great discussion. Ulrich, I hope you haven't painted collar tabs and shoulder board piping, yet!!

Regards

Dave

I will have a look too and find it is a good discussion. But perhaps I must paint then "mausgrau", after I have paint it earlier this day "darkgreen"

But please now discussion after that about "paint to thick"

Ulrich

Dave & Piet and everyone else who is interested in. Perhaps you can help me. I have found different informations about piping the collar tabs of Ernst Udet. Black with silver litzen is ok, but sometimes they are piping in red and in another forum I found a thread that this was typical for the german airforce.

But sometimes I found only black with silver litzen but no piping.

What do you mean? I think red piping could be ok.

And if we will find some more informations I had to use a dishing machine tab, because the colour would be a "little" thick on some parts, I fear

And I will paint now a little bit on the faces because there I had not to change the "colours"

Ulrich