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Time Machine- Febuary release

Discussion in 'Figure News' started by Roc, Jan 6, 2006.

  1. Roc Active Member

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    Kit Carson, the celebrated Western Trapper and Guide .
    54mm. resin and metal.
    Sculpted by Chris Tubb.


    Cheers
    Roc</div>[/doHTML]

    TIME MACHINE MINIATURES
  2. Roc Active Member

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    A second release in the American Heritage Series is planned for February. Kit Carson, the celebrated Western Trapper and Guide is the subject

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    Cheers
    Roc. :)
  3. captnenglish Well-Known Member

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    The figure looks cool, but I have never liked Time Machine's rifles/muskets
  4. garyjd Well-Known Member

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    Matt, The same can be said of the New Orleans vignette. I find all too often weapons appear almost as an afterthought with them looking like very little research has been done.~Gary
  5. Bruno New Member

    Hallo,

    Kit Carson is an interesting historical figure, although, the legend created aorund him has hardly much to do with the real person.
    Carson was a brutal and cruel man, under his leadership the worst cruelties including rape of Navajo women and the ruthless killing of women, pregnant women and children were exetcudetd on the Walk of Death of the captured Navajo after they surender. He as the commanding officer was personally respnsible for all this crimes.
    He also destoyed the livestock, when he cut the hugh plantation of the Navajo and killed all their sheeps and forced this people to a desperate situation who costs the live of hundereds if not thousends of Navajo people.
    The legend of a "friend" of the Indians and the noble galant gentleman was a creation of the newspapers.

    Best regard
    Bruno
  6. garyjd Well-Known Member

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    Bruno, I have found the same to be said of those settling the Eastern frontier during colonial times. I've read a number of accounts detailing the horrors inflicted by natives on settlers, yet when the same is inflicted on the native it is justified. I wonder if there is any info contained in Time Machine's kit of Carson, I doubt it. It's unfortunate that the mythology of such people not only clouds the truth, it might as well not have even happened.~Gary




    Many people believe wrongs aren't wrong if it's done by nice people like ourselves~Author unkown
  7. captnenglish Well-Known Member

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    Gary, exactly my point. I would mind, since the appropriate weapons are available but, 1) it 's sloppy and 2)the price of figures warrents better quality. Still, I am planning on getting both kits mentioned someday.
  8. Bruno New Member

    Dear Gary,
    my wife and I studies the history and culture of the Plains Indians now for nearly 30 years and I cooperate with historians in Germany, England and the USA. In all this year I learned how much was lied by the white chroniclers.

    to support your point of standing:

    In 1869 President Grant formed a comettee to "examine all matters appertaining to Indian Affaiers"

    The report of this comission stated to President Grant:

    " The testimony of some of the highest miliatry officers of the United States is on record to the effect that, in our Indian wars, almost without exeption, the first aggressions have be made by the white men....
    In addition to the class of robbers and outlaws who finde impiunity in their nefarious pursuits on the frontiers, ther are a large class of professedly reputable men who use every means in their power to bring wars for the sake of their own profit...They proclaime death to the Indians at all time...making no distinction between innocent ore the guilty...They irate the lowest class of men to the perpetration of the darkest deeds against their victimes, and as judges and jurymen shield them from the justice due to their crimes. Every crime committed by a white man against the Indians ist concealed or paliated. Every offence committed by an Indian against a white man is born on the wings of the post or the telegraph to the remotest corners of the land, clothed with all horrors which the reality or imagination can throw around it."

    I think, this report need no further comment.

    Best regards

    Bruno
  9. Guy A Fixture

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    Anything can be said of Kit Carson.......most true from what I have read.......but the figure still goes to the top of the list as a must have. If I can have figures in my collection of Attila the Hun.........Ghengis Khan........then why not a vilian of the West...........Kit Carson. I look at the figure from an artist's point of view regardless of the gun. Many guns sculpted in this scale are incorrect or "not just right". I really look forward to painting this figure and putting him into the case next to "Jim Bridger" and "Beckworth" and many other Mountain Men Explorers of the American West.
  10. Roc Active Member

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    Guy, amen to that, could not have said it better my self.

    I look at this figure from an artistic point of view and don't give a rats ass if he was a villain or not in real life. :lol:

    This is an excellent figure, very well sculpted, and very highly detailed, I can't wait to paint it.

    Cheers
    Roc. :)
  11. Bruno New Member

    Hi folks,

    of course, the figurine is well done and why not to paint it, I would be the last to call people what they had to paint.
    I just want to add some historical informations on the real person for the people who want to paint it, thats all.

    So, have a lot of fun by painting this figurine.

    Best regards from Germany

    Bruno
  12. Bruno New Member

    Hi folks,

    let me add something. I would love to see more figurines of Mountain Men. This people were much more important than the so often produced "Gunfighters", who were quite unimprtant for the history.

    The Mountain Men had such a great variety of personalities and charcters, from a criminal like Carson to the questionalbe charcter, but great war chief of the Crow Indian tribe Beckworth to great explorers like Smith and Bridger ore persons of good character like James Kipp or Hugh Monroe, the later was perhapes on of the greates Mountain Men and explorers of all, but is today totally forgotten. The life of these men are much more exiting and interesting as that of the Gunfighters.

    For the sculptor it offers a great variety of white men and Indian cloth.
    So, start to worke!

    Best regards

    Bruno
  13. garyjd Well-Known Member

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    I don't think it was suggested that poeple not be interested in the figure based on Carson's character. If that was the criteria by which folks used in choosing a figure to paint, there would be a lot less to choose from. I find that at times a lot of folks , myself included only know the sanitized cleaned up version of a famous person's life.

    I think information, be it about the person or the historical accuracy of how they are portrayed in miniature can be viewed in two ways. You either care about it or you don't. I have no trouble having respect for either opinion. Anyway thanks to Bruno for the historical background as that's all I saw his posting for.~Gary

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