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Tentative steps........

Discussion in 'Lounge' started by fogie, Feb 6, 2021.

  1. fogie A Fixture

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    The surgery has arranged my vaccine appointment (15.28 precisely..understood?...Yes Ma'am
    Don't be late...No Ma'am. Three bags full, ma'am). We don't get to choose, but it's the Oxford
    Astra-Zeneca one, and I'm even more pleased because it's a childish poke in the eye to Macron
    and Merkel. Is this the first tentative step towards a long wished-for return to Italy ? Oh...to sit
    once again at a little cafe table in the warm sunshine, and have an Expresso brought by a happy
    and smiling Italian goddess is a dream that'll have to remain on the back-burner for a while yet.

    Mike
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  2. Graham PlanetFigure Supporter

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    It is a big step. No idea when I get mine but I will be there on the dot.
  3. Airkid PlanetFigure Supporter

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    Good news Mike. We had ours three weeks ago, no issues. Ours was the Pfizer version. I echo your comments re Italy - we have had some enjoyable breaks there. Europeans in general are very nice people (cue this forum), just the goons that run the show need weeding. Not saying some of ours are any better mind...

    Phil
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  4. Ray Stout Active Member

    I get my jab on Monday (8th). No idea which one but I'll be there 11.30 on the dot. For me, it's outside a Bistro by the water in Sete France, and it's on my Backburner too. Ray
  5. Babelfish A Fixture

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    Hopefully the vaccines will be the way back towards something approaching normal (businesses back up & running, unlimited travel, shops open, pubs & eateries open, no more face-nappies & social distancing etc.) but the way the goalposts keep getting moved and new caveats chucked about, I'm not doing cartwheels just yet.

    - Steve
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  6. Blind Pew A Fixture

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    Vaccines represent the end being in sight. This is still a year of masks and distancing though...
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  7. Banjer Well-Known Member

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    England
    As usual the BBC are doing their best to pee on every ones bonfire. Vaccine not so effective against new strain but do they have to report it with such glee? Am I alone in thinking they seem to love reporting increased death rates as well? Real doom and gloom merchants.

    Rant over.

    Bill
  8. OldTaff PlanetFigure Supporter

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    My wife, bless her, had hers 2 weeks ago.....me, being more slightly in the risky band....nothing, no letter, text or email. A bit haphazard, but had 2 letters by same post, inviting me to make appointment. Go on website,....sorry mate, nothing happening here. Go on second letter's notification website ;
    success! Go for jab, as arranged, last Friday.
    Come home to find another letter inviting me to....... Well, they're doing their best in trying circumstances.

    Alan
  9. Airkid PlanetFigure Supporter

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    England
    It's getting like a macabre football league table with Auntie. And they do have their favourite doom merchants on the scientific side to roll out on a regular basis. And the graphs and statistics they publish are sometimes laughable. What I can't get my ancient brain around is - assuming the country is in mega lockdown, where are all these tens of thousands a day who are testing positive catching it? It won't be over till the fat bloke sings.....:whistle:

    Phil
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  10. Babelfish A Fixture

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    Yes, death rates go up and they can hardly contain their excitement so the numbers are thrust in your face in big bold type at the top of the bulletins to make sure you stay terrified. Then death rates drop and they lose interest, and the numbers just get a mention in passing and/or run uncommented on the news ticker at the bottom of the screen.

    Re. the Astrazenica jab supposedly not being very effective against the "South Africa strain" (which we are told is even-more-infectious-and-even-scarier than the previous even-more-infectious-and-even-scarier "Kent strain" :confused:), according to the reports that only applies to mild illness, it still protects you effectively against getting seriously ill. Which you would think would be cause for celebration and reason not to worry too much. But - predictably - the media play down the latter aspect of it massively, and only mention in passing (if at all) that it only applies to mild symptoms.

    I've pretty much stopped watching the BBC. They're little more than a propaganda arm of the government these days. Sky, ITV and most of the mainstream papers are little better, so much sensationalist, scaremongering (and sometimes wildly inaccurate) rubbish.

    (Just to be clear: I'm not a "covid denier" or an "anti-vaxxer". I understand that it's a real public health challenge and that it can be very serious and dangerous for some people. But I do think we are now way past the point at which the "cure" (lockdowns etc.) will turn out to be worse than the disease in the long term. I'm also very cynical about the way "died with covid" and "died of covid" have been conflated to create "covid deaths", not to mention the dodgy stats being pedalled on the back of dodgy models in order to justify what they are doing to us all).

    - Steve
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  11. arj A Fixture

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  12. Airkid PlanetFigure Supporter

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  13. Airkid PlanetFigure Supporter

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    Well put Steve. I too don't deny this virus is a major global challenge, but MSM reporting of it has been successful only in frightening Joe Public shitless. I use Al Jazeera and Reuters now for any major news coverage - the BBC is a busted flush as far as I'm concerned (and we don't have TV, so I owe them no loyalty whatsoever)

    Phil
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  14. Babelfish A Fixture

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    Well they can't blame the pubs any more ... they've been shut for 2 months! Snowball fights were being touted as "superspreader events" a week or so ago :rolleyes: .

    - Steve
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  15. Babelfish A Fixture

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    All quite deliberate Phil. A terrified public is a public that's more likely to do as it's told and not ask awkward questions. Which is why we are now seeing sceptics being systematically demonised and denounced as "dangerous" heretics. And I'm not talking about lunatic-fringe batshits blathering on about 5G masts and Bill Gates trying to euthanise old people with lethal injections. I'm talking about epidemiologists, virologists and other scientists who question the prevailing narrative and dare to suggest that maybe the authoritarian and deeply illiberal lockdown approach that Western governments have copied from a totalitarian regime (China) will end up doing more harm than good, so maybe we should be looking at alternatives? Bear in mind that lockdowns (as in placing the population under quasi house arrest and shutting down the entire economy & society) were never used in any previous pandemics, nor were they considered in any pre-covid pandemic planning.

    - Steve
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  16. Moonraker Active Member

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    Not sure where to start with this, but as someone that worked in a scientific environment for thirty five years I can assure you that for every theory brought about in response to scientific data there will be another that is pretty much opposite. Scientists are political animals, especially the more eminent ones. They are always looking to polish their own image and attract funding. it’s no wonder that there are those in the scientific community who disagree with with current policy. They are hoping to be noticed.....and probably annoyed that they are not on the lucrative government committees.
    As an alternative to lock down you could always go down the USA route and lose more of your population than WW2 managed to kill.....
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  17. Babelfish A Fixture

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    Which in itself is arguably a strong motive to tow the party line. Certainly no doubt that the profiles & careers of Whitty, Valance, Van Tam and various pro-government talking heads have benefited from their exposure these past 12 months. So you can argue that one both ways.

    The USA is a complicated patchwork but I think most of the individual states have locked down to some degree at various times, with local variations on top of that at different times and of different levels of severity. A few (half a dozen or so?) states haven't locked down at all or in any meaningful way, but I've seen data suggesting that they have not had any worse outcome (or not that much worse) than those that have locked down the hardest. Last I heard, Biden was planning on bringing in a more harmonised national approach.

    - Steve
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  18. Moonraker Active Member

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    Not sure what you mean by “party line” because you’ve cherrypicked the quote? If you mean what I think you mean then be aware that the vast majority of scientific funding in this country is not government sourced. Following the government lead won’t necessarily get you more money for your work. Research for research’s sake simply doesn’t happen. It is always funded by commercial interest and has clearly defined contractual outcomes. Unfortunately this investment model does not engender a regime that maximises scientific effort. More often than not it simply sets one scientific team against another.
    As to the USA, any sort of central lead at all has to be an improvement. The absolute free market economy they wholeheartedly embrace works fantastically well to control the supply and cost of consumer goods, but it simply isn’t fit for purpose when applied to healthcare concerns. When applied to that field Gradgrindian economic theory simply results in more death and misery.
  19. Nap A Fixture

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    England
    Interesting comments for sure

    The sheer logistics of getting the vaccine out to folk ..no matter what can only be imagined

    Carole had a letter , we went on website ...nearest is 66 miles away atm !.....or wait till local doctors are supplied ....that's what most of the village are doing ....mine will be around June I reckon ...perhaps a little sooner

    As for BBC ...apoarently bad news is good news ! ......I am not keen on the adverts that care being shown either

    Anyway have a vaccine ...no matter what type ...this is the road to some normality as such

    Stay safe

    Nap
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  20. Moonraker Active Member

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    Anyway have a vaccine ...no matter what type ...this is the road to some normality as such

    Nap[/quote]

    Amen to that! It’s the only real way out.

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