Stormtroopers being ripped off by Polish Recaster
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stu
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As stated before I really wish Keith had just sent me the link it would have been better ,,,I think he likes giving them air time as its not the first time !!!
Hey Ho we live and learn as they say.
Certainly changed my week,,,,,,well pissed off !!! and that's putting it mildly
Stu
Hey Ho we live and learn as they say.
Certainly changed my week,,,,,,well pissed off !!! and that's putting it mildly
Stu
Wayneb
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I confess....as a beginner a few yrs.ago I bought a couple of Youngs rip offs and all I can say to those tempted."Don't go there".........the resin is cheap and brittle....the casting even worse,such as the parts not fitting as if removed from the mould too soon....pieces to thin or missing .Both pieces partialy prepped still sit in the corner of my bench not worth the time to continue.So be forwarned .....I won't say which pieces they are but if you have them you know......(There..I've confessed..May the Gods of PF forgive me.......Regards to all......Wayne
Stu,
You are perhaps right , the whole issue has got members hackles up to put it mildly including mine to say the least .
I see Keith has also listed stuff for sale hopefully they are originals ?
Wayne ,
Good on you not one of the Gods but I forgive you
Nap
You are perhaps right , the whole issue has got members hackles up to put it mildly including mine to say the least .
I see Keith has also listed stuff for sale hopefully they are originals ?
Wayne ,
Good on you not one of the Gods but I forgive you
Nap
Ron Tamburrini
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Wayne ; may all your quality brushes have bent points 
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Link now deleted from Keith's original post.
"And lead us not into temptation ....."
- Steve
kagemusha
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'Piracy'....in all it's many guises....and in all the different arenas of life...is there to feed the needs of those who cannot afford the 'originals.
Whilst there is no doubting the value for money most of todays manufacturers offer.....there are many modellers out there who are not as lucky, as we can count ourselves, in being able to afford the pleasure of originals.
It is also worth considering just how much time, energy and money, the music/film industries have spent, in the pursuit of eliminating the 'Pirates', all to no avail.
Take the car parts industry. There have always been '3rd party/pattern' parts available. A huge proportion of these being made in China, because the costs are much lower there.
So low in fact, that many of the 'original' parts are also made there but, the manufacturers still charge a premium price for their own branded product.
My point being this. Even with hundreds of millions of pounds being spent annually, piracy continues to flourish.
Whilst it is unfair on the small companies, like Stormtroopers, in the eyes of the re-caster/pirate there is no real punishment to deter them from stealing others property, even if it is copyrighted/patented.
Therefore, until governments impose suitable punishments for these crimes, the market will continue to grow.
We on PF, as a community, have the power to support the companies suffering such theft, by refusing to purchase these tarnished products.
By not 'advertising' the availability of these products on here we are also doing a very small amount to minimise the pirates market.
As a courtesy, informing Stu of the existence of the such infringements was the right thing to do, just done in the wrong way......possibly intentionally!
I for one will continue to support the likes of Stormtroopers, CGS and others, by refusing to buy anything other than 'originals'.
Ron
Whilst there is no doubting the value for money most of todays manufacturers offer.....there are many modellers out there who are not as lucky, as we can count ourselves, in being able to afford the pleasure of originals.
It is also worth considering just how much time, energy and money, the music/film industries have spent, in the pursuit of eliminating the 'Pirates', all to no avail.
Take the car parts industry. There have always been '3rd party/pattern' parts available. A huge proportion of these being made in China, because the costs are much lower there.
So low in fact, that many of the 'original' parts are also made there but, the manufacturers still charge a premium price for their own branded product.
My point being this. Even with hundreds of millions of pounds being spent annually, piracy continues to flourish.
Whilst it is unfair on the small companies, like Stormtroopers, in the eyes of the re-caster/pirate there is no real punishment to deter them from stealing others property, even if it is copyrighted/patented.
Therefore, until governments impose suitable punishments for these crimes, the market will continue to grow.
We on PF, as a community, have the power to support the companies suffering such theft, by refusing to purchase these tarnished products.
By not 'advertising' the availability of these products on here we are also doing a very small amount to minimise the pirates market.
As a courtesy, informing Stu of the existence of the such infringements was the right thing to do, just done in the wrong way......possibly intentionally!
I for one will continue to support the likes of Stormtroopers, CGS and others, by refusing to buy anything other than 'originals'.
Ron
Colin_Fraser
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How about you can't enter a figure in a show without presenting your original receipt or invoice? I know that won't appeal to the anti-regulation right but it would likely work.
Colin
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I don't think Keith put the link on intentionally it was just to highlight what was going on. my be contacting stu direct may in hindsight have been the best way but knowing Keith it would not have been for any other reason than concern that this was going on, and to try and get some ideas on how to stop this trade. it will be a hard job but it has to start some where.
Ian
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The lack of appeal is more a question of it not being an exact science or even practical. In the hobby as a whole there are probably way more people who don't enter comps than do. And how many people keep receipts anyway? And what about legit figures swapped at club meets for example? Do I have to produce a notarised letter from the original owner confirming its provenance before I can enter it in a competition?
- Steve
Blind Pew
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One thing we certainly can do on here, is to highlight the undoubted inferior quality of these things.
And hope people care...
And hope people care...
Uruk-Hai
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Im wondering if there is Laywers, yeah I wrote it, in the same country of the perpetrator that can file lawsuits on provision?
Considering how widespread this is, this could be profitable for laywers as well?
Although there are countries where this behaviour is legal or at least not frown upon. But this are recasters from countries within the EC.
Cheers
Janne Nilsson
Considering how widespread this is, this could be profitable for laywers as well?
Although there are countries where this behaviour is legal or at least not frown upon. But this are recasters from countries within the EC.
Cheers
Janne Nilsson
Well said BP ....It would also be good though if we all agreed that no links were put on this forum as suggested earlier in this thread.
Perhaps members could contact the company getting ripped off and then just post accordingly that he has done so highlighting that there are dodgy recasts about .....hopefully eBay will also do something in the meantime
Nap
Colin_Fraser
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It was meant tongue in cheek. I guess I failed to get that across.
Tecumsea
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Tecumsea
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Well when I placed the original post I didn't expect to get slagged off by both Stu and Kevin Peart-I now sincerely regret that I even bothered, as far from trying to tip off a manufacturer and the forum regarding an illegal practice I am now sitting here feeling very angry at the response from these two individuals. I hope Stu that you manage to put a stop to this individual in the same way that El Greco did when I tipped them off a couple of years ago, something that Celine alluded to in her post.
As regards the self righteous, hypocrite who goes under the name of Napoleonpeart, I'm not sure where the spiteful comment regarding recasts came from, as he has bought from me on ebay and planet, although I had to struggle to get payment on one occassion. Yes I do sell on Ebay but all products bought from genuine retailers, on the subject of spiteful comments, unlike some I don't scrounge free busts from Suppliers and then flog them off for profit on Ebay. My last sales were in May and June of this year where I sold a number of kits to finance a superb trip to Stresa, by the way Mr Peart none of them were recasts! .
I spend around £10000 annually on my hobby, Kits, books, Commissions. I would have thought that comments like those above are totally undeserved, clearly my contribution to the hobby as a supporter and customer is of little value.
I have no intention of taking any future written part in this forum, it just isn't worth the aggravation.
As regards the self righteous, hypocrite who goes under the name of Napoleonpeart, I'm not sure where the spiteful comment regarding recasts came from, as he has bought from me on ebay and planet, although I had to struggle to get payment on one occassion. Yes I do sell on Ebay but all products bought from genuine retailers, on the subject of spiteful comments, unlike some I don't scrounge free busts from Suppliers and then flog them off for profit on Ebay. My last sales were in May and June of this year where I sold a number of kits to finance a superb trip to Stresa, by the way Mr Peart none of them were recasts! .
I spend around £10000 annually on my hobby, Kits, books, Commissions. I would have thought that comments like those above are totally undeserved, clearly my contribution to the hobby as a supporter and customer is of little value.
I have no intention of taking any future written part in this forum, it just isn't worth the aggravation.
Keith ,
I certainly do not consider I or Stu slagged you off as you raised a very good point by starting this thread , as for my comment I have seen on your e bay listings busts that you have said in the description that you are not sure if they were originals ?...you are perfectly entitled to sell and say what you want its a free world
I enjoyed buying from you quality kits as always
This is not the place to have a set to ..we all want the same thing a quality model and good manufacturers ..that we won't have with all these recasters about.
It will be a shame if you leave the forum you are a valued member but I am none too keen having my name quoted like that.
Best wishes
Nap
I certainly do not consider I or Stu slagged you off as you raised a very good point by starting this thread , as for my comment I have seen on your e bay listings busts that you have said in the description that you are not sure if they were originals ?...you are perfectly entitled to sell and say what you want its a free world
I enjoyed buying from you quality kits as always
This is not the place to have a set to ..we all want the same thing a quality model and good manufacturers ..that we won't have with all these recasters about.
It will be a shame if you leave the forum you are a valued member but I am none too keen having my name quoted like that.
Best wishes
Nap
Tecumsea
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Then what was the point of either comment neither of them were constructive!........to say I'm pissed off would be an understatement........ I have bought and sold on Ebay over the past 8 years and if I am not sure about something because it doesn't have an original box then I cover myself with that line.......it doesn't mean they are recasts, some were purchased when I first came into the hobby when I was less aware of what was about. A problem for other newcomers now that the forum has taken a decision to ban pointing them out-whose decision was that, perhaps it should have gone to a poll?
I repeat neither comment was constructive in fact snide is the best interpretation I can come up with hence my response-what ever I'm out of this forum. Too much sniping has been going on recently in different parts of the forum and I can't be bothered with it, in fact I'm close to dispensing with the whole hobby-just quietly paint at home for my own pleasure, I don't need this crap.
Keith
I repeat neither comment was constructive in fact snide is the best interpretation I can come up with hence my response-what ever I'm out of this forum. Too much sniping has been going on recently in different parts of the forum and I can't be bothered with it, in fact I'm close to dispensing with the whole hobby-just quietly paint at home for my own pleasure, I don't need this crap.
Keith
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