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WIP Critique Steiner buste 1/6

Discussion in 'Sculpting' started by Renéduret, Oct 9, 2011.

  1. Renéduret Well-Known Member

    Country:
    Netherlands
    Well Darko,

    thanks a lot!

    I will prepare the corrections today, this is very helpful.


    Rene
  2. megroot A Fixture

    Country:
    Netherlands
    Darko i have to disagree with you.
    The Musculus Sternocleidomastoidius isn't not seen into the neckregion until the head is elevated (bending the head backwards).
    Another function of the M. ST.Cl. Mast. is bending the head downwards with a downwards turn to the side. Another function is assist the breathing musculatuur
    So you never gonna see the V shape of these muscles untill the head is bended backwards. In this bust it isn't the case, so the neck is good sculpted.

    Marc
  3. Renéduret Well-Known Member

    Country:
    Netherlands
    Marc, kalm an :)
    you are also right.

    Darko is attending me to something general for , which he knows I haven't been paying any attention to too much.
    He also attends the shape of the neck, which after being altered is more V- shaped downwards which I thank him for.

    I am altering now Marc and must say.....looks better....

    rene
  4. megroot A Fixture

    Country:
    Netherlands
    Ik ben kalm hoor. Maar vanuit mijn beroep kon ik er niet tegen dat er onjuistheden beweerd worden vanuit de anatomie gezien.
    Aangezien ik hem al geweldig vindt, zou het jammer zijn iets wat goed is anatomisch gezien niet beter te maken.
  5. Renéduret Well-Known Member

    Country:
    Netherlands
    oh Marc....het wordt nóg geweldiger!!!
    Die magerheid van hem, dat strakke gaat eruit komen.

    Marc refers to his work as fysionist and was afraid that things that were right in his opinion were altered wrongly.
    This ain't gonna happen and I always have checks with my own image in the mirror.
    On the other hand, Darko provides a picture I was looking for and is in my dangerous hands, for the perfectionism I strive for.

    mayby Darko likes your comment too, he's also looking for best anatomics.

    hey man, need to go on!

    Rene
  6. pokrad A Fixture

    Country:
    Croatia
    I'm refereing the very tips of the muscles - clearly visible on the sculpt and marked with red line, and in my opinion it should be closer to the green line shape.
    That part of "V" shape should be always visible, but I'm not an expert, I might be wrong...

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  7. megroot A Fixture

    Country:
    Netherlands
    Darko,
    I believe that you mean the clavicula. That is more into the greenarea then the muscle sternocleidomastoideus.
    This muscle is follow this way:
    origo: one part from sternum and the other part from clavicul.
    insertion: processus mastoideus and linea nuchea superior....
    the processus mastoideus is a small point at the underside of the os temporale (sleepbone)
    The linea nuchea superior is a small line connective tissue at the underside of the skull.
    So my conclusion is that your green line isn't the Muscle.
    The start from the muscle is about where the green line stop's (direction collar)

    Marc
  8. pokrad A Fixture

    Country:
    Croatia
    You are the expert, so if You say this is the case - I believe it (man, I can't even pronounce the name of that muscle) ;)
    I hope Rene understands what I ment to say, and I'm sure he'll find a way to make it perferct as the rest of the sculpt is...
  9. Renéduret Well-Known Member

    Country:
    Netherlands
    well, I am sure of one thing.

    James never would have spent any thought about eventual idiots like me that analysed his whereabouts that much after his passing away.


    if he were.....I guess he would say..'let it be a good one.'

    soon some pics.

    rené
  10. Renéduret Well-Known Member

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    Netherlands
  11. kingbingo Well-Known Member

    Country:
    Austria
    excellent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(y)
  12. megroot A Fixture

    Country:
    Netherlands
    In spite off all anatomic lessons :notworthy::whistle: this is some great sculptwork.
    Where are the suspenders??????

    marc
  13. Renéduret Well-Known Member

    Country:
    Netherlands
    minor detail, just like the pockets.
    first the shape that makes Steiner recognizable.

    oftenly underestimated when a charicature is drawn of somebody.
    The bodylanguage also goes along with the looks.

    I tried to stress Coburns skinnyness, edgyness.
    Though he is wide.
    you will see that the suspenders will drop in a more natural way.

    first pics were not bad but not contributing to likeness.

    René:eek:
  14. megroot A Fixture

    Country:
    Netherlands
    Rene,
    How far will you go.......it seems that its not ending with perfection.
    Looks that you will go for the full 200 % perfection.
    Less wil not do it for you.
    Anyway, perfection lead to magic.

    marc
  15. Figurenfreund66 Well-Known Member

    Country:
    Germany
    Hi René
    which is a wonderful bust.

    Cheers

    Hendryk
  16. Renéduret Well-Known Member

    Country:
    Netherlands
    Hendryck...Danke!

    Marc,

    the extra percentages you talk about is something I call 'soul' .

    together with good paintjob we strive for 300% :):):)

    Rene
  17. megroot A Fixture

    Country:
    Netherlands
    Soul with a capital S.......
    It has to be more than that...call it love for the hobby:whistle:
    Looking forward to your next step.

    marc
  18. Renéduret Well-Known Member

    Country:
    Netherlands
    some more wrinkles.

    having doubt to diminish a few.

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  19. Ron Tamburrini A Fixture

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    United-Kingdom
    Looking just great (y)
  20. Einion Well-Known Member

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