After seeing here the self-made cowgirl flat I thougt "Why not, try it". In the book "The art of Antoine Tzapoff" I found many, many good pictures. So I try to make the indian-girl. I thought "Ok, not much clothes and the hair will be no problem"

What I have not seen was the decoration she is wearing. "Hundreds of Pearls" I thought, but with a help from a friend I found a solution.

It is not a 100 % copy but it was my first try.

So I think some cleanings are to do and improvements, but then I can start working on the second flat (last photo)

What do you think???

Ulrich

Great first attempt Ulrich. I would say perhaps the upper lip should be turned down at the corners a bit.... but I haven't tried it so feel free to ignore that

Roger.

Nice job, very good likeness.; a beauty for sure.
..one side of the mouth is up while the other not so much...it kind of looks like a smirk, but it looks fine like that , too.
Glad to see you are in the NW coast area...truly fascinating. Possibilities are endless...the next one: is it a Tlingit warrior with partial armor on?
I'm curious of your reference material...definitely something I've seen before but can't place...maybe in National Geographic...and artist named Herbert Norris?
Will follow with interest...

Thank you very much, Roger and Phil.

I work with magnifiers, but see some "problems" first after I had made the picture and see the photo on my monitor. So some little things are to change

@ Phil. My source is the book "The Art of Antoine Tzapoff". In that book I found some tribes I never have heard before. You are right, the second is a Tlingit warrior with a wooden suit of Armour. The artist declares the woman as a member of the Kitsai wearing a Osage blanket

So as you mentioned. Many great possibilities

Ulrich

It looks great Ulrich! I'm glad the Cowgirl provided some inspiration (I'm assuming you're referring to mine). I agree about the mouth. Going into Mona Lisa territory there. I also noticed that one eye is smaller and higher than the other. Even though this replicates the source image, it's still a bit odd looking. It took me a minute to notice it after I enlarged the sculpt image.

How thick is the sculpt? I'm trying to keep mine at near original flat thicknesses and not go into a demi-round style. Are you going to cast this or paint it as is?

I'm looking forward to the next one.

Cheers,

Glen

@ Glen. Yes it was your Cowgirl. And you and Phil are right. I had to change the mouth and the eyes. But I will make tomorrow a great copy of my picture taken from the flat and so I can see better, were the problems are.

It is more a semi-round flat. Like the Eisenbach ones. And I will make it only for myself.

Thanks again

Ulrich

Very nice work Ulrich.
I'm eager to see how you made this semiround.

Marc

in my opinion the eyes are a littlebit to big.
But neverless a very good attempt.

Ulrich - You can be justifiably proud of the outcome! Very well done! I can understand your interest in the subject - there really is something Mona-lisa- - ish about her.

All the best,
Dan

Thank you very much.

I have made a "big" photo print and mark every part which had to be "redone". So please wait and see

Ulrich

Hi Ulrich, like them although flats aren't my thing. Very nice indeed.

Ulrich,
Very nicely done.
Cheers
John

Thank you very much. I think I can show some new photos next weekend. I have change some things and think it looks better now

Ulrich

Great work Ulrich, especially for a first one!
Keep them coming.

cheers,
Marcel.

Thank you very much. I think I can show some new photos next weekend. I have change some things and think it looks better now

Ulrich
Yes Ulrich do it , its can go better always, sometimes we see always during and behind to grow with the sculpt.
Nice idea. Do more please in this great line.
Thanks for showing.
Ulrich

Any updates Ulrich?

Cheres,

Glen

Glen. I had to do some works at our house before "winter" starts. But I will do today the last changes and think can make some photos wednesday.,

So you must wait a little bit

Ulrich

OK. I was afraid the thread might be forgotten! I'll probably have some questions later.

Cheers,

Glen

And here a little update. I will talk next Saturday with a friend about the figure, but I think I will leave everything and will try to make it better the next time.

I know that the eyes are different, but I think it will be my touch for this figure

Ulrich

Well done Ulrich! It seems the figure's left eye and the mouth have been altered or is this an illusion on my part?

Some questions:

Did you sculpt this a single piece or was it built up in layers like my cowgirl?

How big is it - scale and actual dimensions?

Do you have any special hints or tips for those of us trying to sculpt flats?

I ask because I'm getting ready to start a bust of my own, but I'm not sure how to proceed. I was thinking of doing what I did with the cowgirl - a single 1mm layer, trimmed to shape, then carving down and building up in series of short sculpting sessions. I'm not comfortable working on everything all at once, because I tend to damage sculpted, but still soft, areas of the figure when I work on other areas.

Again, great effort! Are you going to paint it?

Cheers,

Glen