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Scottish Basket Sword..Help!!!

Discussion in 'Sculpting' started by Nap, Dec 29, 2016.

  1. Nap A Fixture

    Country:
    England
    Hi Guys


    Working on a project but after 3 attempts to make a sword hilt for 1/10th or 1/9th I am banging my head against the bench ..lol

    So how woukd you go about sculpting one suitable for this bandsman ...or anyone know where I might get one or if anyone happens to have one floating around in the spares box

    Any suggestions ...apart from leave it off!

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  2. Scotty Well-Known Member

    Country:
    Scotland
    I have a pattern for the basket on my laptop, I'll post it when I get back in, it may help.
    Scotty.
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  3. Scotty Well-Known Member

    Country:
    Scotland
  4. Scotty Well-Known Member

    Country:
    Scotland
    Found it! I was going to roll out some clay and cut out the pattern when it was firm enough to shape. If you sculpt the liner first it might help forming the basket over it. All the best.
    Scotty.
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  5. Jimbo A Fixture

    Country:
    England
    Kev
    Same as Scotty said...But must say this is a real tricky one...Try forming the "cup" or red cloth part of the hilt first and leave it to set, then add the metalwork with strips of magic sculp that are almost going off but still workable, glue them onto the "cup"...that's the way I'd approach it mate...Good luck & happy swearing mate:whistle:
    Cheers
    Jim
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  6. mick3272 A Fixture



    Dont he just make it sound so simple :D (y)
  7. badger Well-Known Member

    Country:
    Scotland
    I was thinking make the frame out of fusewire and fill it with milliput?
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  8. Nap A Fixture

    Country:
    England
    Thanks Guys

    Appreciate the ideas ..been working on the other parts for a break but will do the "red" backing to set over night ...

    More tommorow !

    Nap
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  9. valiant A Fixture

    Country:
    United-Kingdom
    Yep - defo make the liner first, then youve got something stable to work on. Try using plastic strip or card for the metalwork, it gives a nice crisp edge...(y)
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  10. KenBoyle PlanetFigure Supporter

    Country:
    United-States
    As a former miniature sculptor, I normally used Sculpey because of it's infinite work time, although it requires oven hardening. Anyway, I would have created a ball of sculpey in the basic shape of the hilt attached to a small mound of the clay on a piece of wood. I would then sculpt the details in the soft clay by "engraving" them or adding new thin rolled pieces to make the metal pieces.

    Working on a solid ball is easier than trying to create a hollow ball from the beginning. Once satisfied with the overall piece, I would cut off the hardened hilt from the mound on the piece of wood, since the bottom is more or less flat anyhow. Then using a dremel I would have hollowed out the hilt enough to make it believable. Since you can paint the interior black or dark grey, it doesn't have to be perfect, as it will sort of disappear. Finally add in the sword grip as a separate piece.

    Just an idea.
    Ken
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  11. Wings5797 A Fixture

    Country:
    France
    Hi Kevin
    Some great Ideas here.
    I agree that you should form the red leather pad and then Add the metal hand guard.
    To set the pad I use a blob of blue take or playdoe slightly smaller than the finished size and model over this. When your clay etc is hard remove the blue tsk carefully.
    A bit simple but it works.
    Keith
  12. martin tabony Well-Known Member

    Country:
    United-States
    I form the basic shape from milliput, then carve in the detail when it's dry.

    Martin
  13. Scotty Well-Known Member

    Country:
    Scotland
  14. Scotty Well-Known Member

    Country:
    Scotland
    I'm just throwing this in, it doesn't look like the 1828 pattern sword he has, it may be the band were still using a regimental pattern. It will save you doing the cut outs. Sorry mate.
    Scotty.
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  15. Nap A Fixture

    Country:
    England
    Hi Guys

    Really appreciate all the posts and ideas ..,,,current state of affairs ...


    I have 3 "inners" ready to be sanded down ..need to get the shape right then I can go for the actual detail

    Scotty ...all pictures are welcome !

    Nap
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  16. Nap A Fixture

    Country:
    England
    Piccy update


    Fairly happy with the overall shape of the inner part , might thin it down a bit more ,, the flatter part will be at the lower edge ....

    Making buttons and medals at the moment ..the hilt mght be a job for seeing out 2016!

    Going to make the handle as well ...ms currently hardening ..then needs fitting !

    Nap

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  17. Wings5797 A Fixture

    Country:
    France
    It looks the part Kevin......good work Mate.
    As you say maybe a little thinner. A little trick, it only needs to be thin on the edges if the sword is not in hand
    What scale are you working to?
    All the best
    Keith
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  18. Nap A Fixture

    Country:
    England
    Hi Keith

    Thinned it down a bit will do the edges thinner , scale is about 1/10th

    Thanks for looking in

    Nap
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  19. clrsgt A Fixture

    Country:
    United-States
    Great ideas; most of which wouldn't have come to me, but that is why I am not a good sculptor.
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  20. Nap A Fixture

    Country:
    England

    There are certainly good ideas from others ..that's what PF is all about , sharing and hopefully giving me more confidence with the magic world of putty..lol

    Today is the day for the basket work ..after I have carved the actual handle !

    Thanks for looking in and Happy New Year

    Nap
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