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WIP Critique Samurai, Momoyama period, late 17th century

Discussion in 'Sculpting' started by Vladimir, Apr 26, 2020.

  1. Vladimir Active Member

    Thank you for your opinion. I use Super Sculpey Firm, mixing it with Fimo in different proportions. Excellent material!
  2. Vladimir Active Member

    Hi everyone.
    I have not appeared on the forum for a long time.For a whole month, I studied the variations of making Japanese chain mail.Unfortunately, I couldn't sculpt a good chain mail, so I made it out of metal rings.After several failed attempts, I got something similar. Made by shino-haidate and shino-suneate. I hope you like what I have done.

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  3. Oda A Fixture

    Vladimir this is some cracking modelling work and very,very well researched.As I have said in the past I am sooooooo waiting for this to be commercially released .Please save a copy for me!!!

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  4. Nap A Fixture

    Hi Vladimir

    Nice to see you posting

    Looking really good , great research

    Look forward to more updates

    Happy benchtime

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  5. OldTaff PlanetFigure Supporter

    I'm looking forward to seeing this too. A painstaking and masterful piece of sculpting. I would definitely want a copy when (if)it becomes available :happy:;)

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  6. Vladimir Active Member

    Thank you guys for your comments!
    These comments help me very much to continue working when I want to stop sculpting and throw the master model in the trash:D
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  7. Nap A Fixture


    Ho Vladimir

    I couldn't do anything remotely like this so every credit to you , skilled sculpting and great care in the research

    Hide that trash bin !!

    Look forward to updates

    Happy sculpting

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  8. NeilW A Fixture

    Yes I do like it (y)

    I've been struggling with the same problem for my 1/12th (150mm) samurai.... could you elaborate on your 'metal rings' technique (I could never find any small enough).
  9. Vladimir Active Member

    I will photograph the whole process in the evening and tell you how I made the chain mail
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  10. Vladimir Active Member

    This is how I make Japanese chain mail
    1. I make chain mail from wire, which we obtain from the electronic components and electric cable. I burn the wire a little over the fire to make it softer


    2. first I wind the Wire on a drill with a diameter of 0.3-0.5 mm ( you can use any strong rod), and then I cut the resulting spiral into rings
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    3. The result is these rings

    4. Next, I make corners out of wire. For corners, it is better to use a wire of a smaller diameter than for rings, then the chain mail will turn out more beautiful
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    5. I set the Corners like this
    6. In the end, it turns out this mail. On the left photo of the wire of the same diameter, on the right-the corners are made of thinner wire
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  11. NeilW A Fixture

    Thanks Vladimir (y)

    Looks like the Japanese 4:1 (hiteo-gusari) design... some others look fiendishly difficult to model (good discussion here and examples here).

    Similar to another technique I've seen but with the refinement of adding the joining links. I tried it once but the wire was too hard to cut without it losing shape: useful tip about softening it by heat (I bought some solder to try that but never got around to it).

    I'll give your method a go... may try doing individual sections as masters that I can then cast from.
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  12. Vladimir Active Member

    I tried to make a stamp so that I could use it to make chain mail on the figure. Fail.
    I also made a master model of the chain mail section, made a shape based on it, and cast several sections from smooth cast. But I couldn't place them nicely on the model.
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  13. Nap A Fixture

    Hi Vladimir

    Thanks for sharing the chainmail technique ....amazing to see the work involved but a great result at the end ...you have a lot of patience

    Look forward to more on this fascinating thread

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  14. NeilW A Fixture

    Now, here's a modelling challenge:

    First find pins with conical heads in 30 graduated sizes suitable for the scale you're modelling.

    Arrange 1,890 of them in 62 perfectly aligned rows.


    ... now, that's what I call patience (and obsessive madness :wacky: )
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  15. Vladimir Active Member

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  16. Vladimir Active Member

    My first samurai has a helmet with rivets, only there are fewer rivets.
    I did it for 3 weeks, then I didn't like it, stripped it off and did it again. Now I want to try to make such a helmet using 3D printing
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  17. NeilW A Fixture


    ... I said it becomes madness ;)

    I'll be interested in the 3D version: probably the best way to go with anything like Japanese armour (or scale plate etc) that has lots of repetition.

    My game plan is to make masters of the horizontal strips (lames) complete with lacing then mass produce them so as modules to fit to the fig (so far never quite got it to work :( )

    The idea and an experimental 'test of concept' trial pic attached (showing how difficult it is to get standard scales):

  18. David Spencer Active Member

    Really interesting to see this develop
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  19. NeilW A Fixture

    Good illustration but weren't their quite a few different patterns of mail, this being one?

    What's always notable is how small and lightweight it is compared to the western style.
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  20. Vladimir Active Member

    A beautiful version of chain mail. Maybe I'll make one some day.
    Now I was doing this option
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