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WIP Critique Pegaso Black Prince. 75m/m SBS

Discussion in 'vBench (Works in Progress)' started by John Bowery, Jan 18, 2016.

  1. John Bowery A Fixture

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    United-States
    Since my last posting went well I thought that I would try again.
    Maureen bought this for me for Xmas:D:D:D and though it looks like an ambitious project, I thought that I would start it right away:LOL: Hehehe.

    I thought that this might give others a head start on what to expect with this wonderful kit.

    First I would like to say that I think that A Jula, and R Galiceck did a superb job of sculpting. I have no idea how they managed to get the pieces all broken down.:happy: The fit seems super and I raise my hat to them.

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    The kit comes with two heads. I am going to go with the face and crown head.
    Guy Herrick gave me one of his bases that he had spare and this will go good with the above figure

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    I changed the angle of the horse on the base so that the figure looks at you. This will mean that the horse will not be parallel with the base back. So all the holes had to be re-drilled:sick:

    At least it was at this stage.:whistle::whistle:

    The horse has the hind leg attached to the tail which is part of the body. There is a steel pin in the stump and upper back leg and up into the tail so this should help with the weight, thanks to pegaso.
    I do not want to take any chances, so I drilled out and insert copper wire into the legs mainly to stop a tipping motion and not for weight control. This thing will be heavy when finished.:rolleyes:
    The pins go all the way through Pegaso's base and will end up in the wood base. Two Part epoxy will be used to glue the horse to base. The Pegaso base will be screwed and epoxied to the wood
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    Sorry this is blurred, but you get the idea.
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    This was a very clever idea to stabilize the weight. Kudos.
    The head of the horse is hollow. That does not leave much glue surface. So I attached some epoxie putty to the hollow inside of the horse leaving it sticking up so that the hollow head has a little more surface for glueing. You could use other methods but the putty was handy.
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    I have the pegaso base screwed to a block of wood for painting. The horse will be glued to the pegaso base at this time but not the wood. This should allow ease of painting?:angelic::angelic:

    For the armour metal I am polishing the metal casting and then painting with Gunze Sanyo smoke and lining with Raw umber oils. The head metal has been done but not highlighted.
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    Most of the model will be brush primed with lacquer primer Mr Surfacer 1200 thinned down.


    The only thing I am not sure of is how the reins will go behind the head of the horse. I will be using him holding the shield as well as the sword so the reins will not go to the hand????
    If anybody sees the pegaso demonstration model at a show and could photo behond the head that would be great. I have emailed Pegaso but have not yet heard anything back.

    All advice and comments are welcome and encourage.
    Thanks for looking.
    Cheers
    John

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  2. sd0324 PlanetFigure Supporter

    John, you are an ambitious man. Look forward to watching this one progress.


    Steve
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  3. Dan Morton A Fixture

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    United-States
    Not my historical period of interest, but a beautifully sculpted piece. It looks like you are meeting the challenge like gangbusters! (y)

    The rider won't be holding the reins? I'm not a horseman, but when I was making all the mounted lancers, several horsemen and modellers on PF and the Military Horse Forum (another web site) told me that no sane rider would do that. Could the rider hold the shield and the reins together using one hand?

    A different question related to the weight of the piece - Is the body of the horse cast hollow or solid, John?

    All the best,
    Dan
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  4. ChaosCossack A Fixture

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    Canada
    Good luck with this monster John. I'll be following this sbs with interest.

    Carry on sir

    Colin
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  5. fermatgom Well-Known Member

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    Spain
    Wow! I think that you have hours of fun ahead of you!!!
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  6. MCPWilk A Fixture

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    I'm looking forwards to seeing how this progresses. For those not in the market for an expensive Pegaso figure, the old 90mm Steel Bonnets Black Prince sculpted by Peter Twist is available in resin from Victory Miniatures (http://victoryminiatures.co.uk/?id=models&pid=29).

    Happy modelling,

    Mike
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  7. paulr3260 Active Member

    What an incredible figure, I want one! Please keep us up to date with your progress and lots of pictures. Looking forward to seeing your work. Paul..............
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  8. Ron Tamburrini A Fixture

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    United-Kingdom
    Thats an impressive figure John. Pegaso have used the same engineered setup re the hind legs as they done with the roaming knight and it really works a treat .
    You will probably find that the position of the rider counterbalances the rearing horse as they done in the aforementioned .
    I have never used mr surfacer to prime , what are the benefits .

    Ron
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  9. Huw63 A Fixture

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    Switzerland
    A very good start John. I lke the base you've selected and nice work on the strengthening.

    Cheers

    Huw
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  10. John Bowery A Fixture

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    United-States
    Dan,
    The horse is cast in four parts. The body is two half sections, neck to tail, hollow and the head is the same except the whole head is on one side and the other side neck fits into it. Also hollow.
    The left hand is made to hold the shield although that is optional, as there are two shields one with the inner items and the other is blank on the backside except for the leather rap around and studs to fasten leather. If he carries the shield then he is also carrying the sword. The box art shows both. It is possible to make the reins to appear to be held with the shield but I do not have any information how they are intended to be set up. It could be just looped around the saddle? even though that is not practical. It is artistic license.:D
    Cheers
    John
  11. John Bowery A Fixture

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    United-States
    Ron,
    Mr surfacer is a laquer primer/surfacer and their are several thicknesses that will build up the surface. It comes in spray or non-spray. It dries very rapidly. Since I am polishing the metal I dont want to get over spray on the polished part and it will be awkward not to with the masking hence brush primer. I will spray the bottom section of the horse as there is not polished metal. Since I want to have more control on the thickness I am going with the brush and will probably thin the mixe down 20%? I prefer Lacquer primers on metal as I think that they bite better on metal. Just my belief.:love:
    Cheers
    John
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  12. peedee A Fixture

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    Tremendous choice John I am following to learn any technique points, and I already have !

    Good luck and enjoy !

    Paul.
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  13. Joe55 A Fixture

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    United-States
    Cool project John! This will keep you busy for a while no doubt. Like your base selection and look forward to how both horse and rider progress.

    Joe
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  14. Edorta A Fixture

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    Spain
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  15. Bailey A Fixture

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    United-States
    Great looking kit. Definitely a challenging project. I'm looking forward to seeing your posts on it.
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  16. Roc Active Member

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    United-States
    Beautiful sculpture... Good start...... looking forward to seeing more.....

    Cheers
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  17. tiberius57 A Fixture

    Country:
    Canada
    Beautiful challenge John! Will follow closely. For a long time I'm looking to this piece. One of those figures screaming - paint me, paint me... :LOL:
    Cheers,
    Zeno :)
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  18. stoffy01 A Fixture

    Country:
    Australia
    Hi John,
    That's a fantastic piece, cant wait to see the finished product and the base looks beautiful as well, I'll be watching enthusiastically.
    Regards
    Chris.
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