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Nuisance on the bench

Discussion in 'General Figure Talk' started by akaryu, Oct 25, 2023.

  1. Banjer A Fixture

    Country:
    England
    At some point, not sure if on here or in PM Talant said he was going from cast to 3d. This was during the 90 mm run and I thought he meant for future sculpts. Perhaps he meant immediately..

    Bill
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  2. akaryu Moderator

    Country:
    Belgium

    My comprehension of figure casting is still stuck in the world of metal figures, but the technical side of resin casting or 3D printing is unknown terrain for me.

    That said, the hind quarter or buttock of the horse is hollow, so I wonder how this can be cast in resin? Also, the legs of the figure are hollow, which surprised me when drilling them to pin them.

    Pierre
  3. Steve headley A Fixture

    If the leg was hollow then it’s a 3D print. With the 3D resins it is cured with UV light. So my guess is it’s not had enough time to cure. Even with conventional resins if you don’t get the mix right the same effect can happen. But from the description of hollow leg it sounds very much like it’s a curing problem.

    I’m sure they will replace the part with no issues it happens some times but it’s a easy fix just a new part.

    Steve

    TFB Miniatures Team
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  4. akaryu Moderator

    Country:
    Belgium

    Thank you very much Steve for the explanation!

    A day you learn something you didn't know, is a day not lost!

    Cheers,

    Pierre
  5. Alex A Fixture

    Country:
    Canada
    Here is mine.
    You can see that I have inserted a pin through the whole leg. Epoxy glue was used. The legs were solid and not hollow.
    I concur with Steve : hollow parts means 3D print and uncured resin.
    I do not like 3D prints and prefer cast kits (metal or resin).
    cheers

    alex

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  6. Ferris A Fixture

    How did you install the pin in the bent leg Alex? Cut the leg halfway and drill in two directions?

    I bought this one in 54mm and am quite eager to start it.

    Thanks
    Adrian
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  7. akaryu Moderator

    Country:
    Belgium
    Good job Alex!
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  8. Alex A Fixture

    Country:
    Canada
    Hi Adrian

    Precisely that. First cut the leg with a jeweller's saw (extra fine blade) at the knee.
    Drill rear thigh. Insert stainless steel pin. Drill other part of the leg.
    Bend pin accordingly. Reassemble everything and use epoxy.
    A pin like this will support the whole horse and rider without any problems.
    I have inserted a 'regular' brass pin in the end of the other leg just for alignment purposes.

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  9. Ferris A Fixture

    Crystal clear Alex. Thanks!

    Adrian
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  10. Alex A Fixture

    Country:
    Canada
    WARNING
    My kit is also affected by the same problem. Felix just sent me a private message saying he noticed the same kind of problem.
    I have just noted on my kit plenty of oily speckles all over the horse and other parts. There's even a gelatinous residue near one of the quarter (exactly like Pierre's horse). I didn't touch my horse since two weeks ago and these resinous speckles were not there before since all the parts were sanded with 3M wheels. I think that my kit is doomed.. so many hours of work lost !!
    I urged everyone to have a serious look at their own kit.
    just sent an email to Talant as well

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  11. akaryu Moderator

    Country:
    Belgium
    Rather worrying!

    The leakage on mine started just behind the saddle, about where is your thumb nail in the second photo.

    Pierre
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  12. Nap Moderator

    Country:
    England
    Thanks to everyone for highlighting the issues

    Hope Talant will respond and act vey quickly

    Watching with interest

    Nap
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  13. Blind Pew A Fixture

    Country:
    United-Kingdom
    I've been modelling quite a while, and I must say, I've never ever heard of this problem. I can only think it was a bad batch or something. Great work on all the answers, guys. What PF is all about.
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  14. Alex A Fixture

    Country:
    Canada
    Talant has agreed to send me a new horse which is great. He told me that on the first batch produced, 3D printing resin was smeared on small defects to even out some areas. So his suggestion is to expose the kit to UV lighting in order to solidify these areas.
    Other kits produced after were simply printed.
    I will follow his advice and see what will happen

    cheers

    alsx
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  15. Banjer A Fixture

    Country:
    England
    This is my 90 mm which I believe came from an early cast. I can't see anything wrong with the casting but I'm no expert. Would the problem be apparent after painting?

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  16. akaryu Moderator

    Country:
    Belgium
    Difficult to say for sure, maybe Talant can shed some light on what happened.

    The problem with mine occurred weeks after the horse was painted.

    Pierre
  17. Banjer A Fixture

    Country:
    England
    I will keep an eye on it but will register my concern with Talant. Shame, it's a lovely sculpt.
    I will put it to one side for now, no point in finishing it if it's bin fodder.
    Please keep us updated on any info you may receive.

    Bill
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  18. Alex A Fixture

    Country:
    Canada
    Hi Bill
    Do you remember if the legs of your horse were hollow when you drill them to insert the pins ?
    Were there instead any typical mould lines from a regular casting process ?
    I think that there are many different problems highlighted in this thread.
    Talant told me that some 90mm kits were produced by regular casting while others (after) by 3D printing.
    I think that all 120 mm kits were 3D printed.
    The problem with Pierre's kit (hollow leg) comes from the fact that it was 3D printed : uncured resin trapped inside, which is actually a well described issue in the 3D printing world. A wash in IPA followed by UV exposition might help but note that you need to take great precautions when handling uncured resin.
    My kit was not 3D printed but cast. I have decided to sand every part carefully with a 3M radial bristle wheel. I have also drilled many small holes in various parts of the kit in order to search for any pockets of gelatinous resin : none were found. I have cleaned every part with diluted dishwashing soap and will reassess the situation in a few days / weeks. If the surface remains matte and stays the same, this means that my kit might be fine to advance to the priming stage. I will maybe seal the kit beforehand with a coat of shellac or something else. If glossy speckles reappear, then the kit will go to the bin.
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  19. Banjer A Fixture

    Country:
    England

    I am sure my kit is a solid cast, I didn't drill the legs but I am sure they were solid. Talant said he was having casting problems with the heads but didn't volunteer what the problems were. He said he was going to 3d print in future but, as I said earlier, I didn't realise he meant with this project, I thought he meant future ones.

    Perhaps he will come forward and advise everyone exactly what the position is.

    Bill
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  20. akaryu Moderator

    Country:
    Belgium
    Just received a message from Talant, a complete horse will go in the mail on Saturday!

    After the resin mishap, that is an example of good customer care. I hope it will get sorted out for all concerned.

    Cheers,

    Pierre

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