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Review New Open Box Video Review for AK-Interactive Leather & Wood Oils Set Abteilung 502. Check it out!

Discussion in 'Reviews , Video Reviews and Open Book' started by Stelios Demiras, Jan 3, 2019.

  1. Stelios Demiras A Fixture

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    Open Box Video Review of the Abteilung 502 Leather & Wood Colors Paint Set ABT315
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    by AK-Interactive (www.ak-interactive.com) This is a set of six 20ml Abteilung 502 oil tubes for creating realistic Leather and Wood Tones. The set includes Bitume ABT004, Burnt Umber ABT006, Brown Wash ABT080, Ocher ABT092, Warm Red ABT025, and Faded Dark Yellow ABT020. The oil paints have very fine pigment and artist quality so that the application is easy and friendlier to the user! This is an open box presentation, but soon we will come back with a video on how to use them. More about painting miniatures in Mr Black Publications editions: www.mrblackpublications.com Do not forget to subscribe to our channel for more reviews and videos!
  2. Tubby-Nuts2 PlanetFigure Supporter

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    Unfortunately this whole post tells me nothing. Sorry but what’s the point in taking tubes of paint out of a box and turning them around.?? I’ve seen other similar ‘YouTube’, vids about ‘Abteilung’, promising how to use them. So far nothing! I guess it’s down to me to find out practically, what they are like.

    Mark.
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  3. grasshopper PlanetFigure Supporter

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    Am afraid I agree Mark..yes, it comes in tubes and there is paint in the tubes..but it’s useless as a review..and nowhere is it possible to find the pigments in the colours, the additives...
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  4. Tecumsea PlanetFigure Supporter

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    Nothing here that you wouldn't get by using any oil colour range.
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  5. grasshopper PlanetFigure Supporter

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    Its not expensive, but has loose runny texture.perhaps because it originally intended to weather AFVs..Many of the colours have names relative to weathering and don’t tie with what we are used to with artist oils..so not really mixing paints.there is a string linseed oil odour as well..rather frustrating all round ..
  6. Mirofsoft A Fixture

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    If you are usualy using oils, you don't need this, you normaly have equivalent colours tubes in your box
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  7. grasshopper PlanetFigure Supporter

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    And if new to oils, these have too little information to guide and learn from..its not a rant against the product, simply the lack of information that’s expected of oils. The idea of quality oils with qualities aligned with needs of miniature painters is sound enough, but this doesn’t do it..
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  8. Tubby-Nuts2 PlanetFigure Supporter

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    I suppose it’s really down to us to assess their pro’s & con’s. They do a ‘Flesh Set’, which looks intriguing. I may pick one up as a tester! We shall see.

    Mark
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  9. grasshopper PlanetFigure Supporter

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    A member on PF did an sbs with that set a while back.as a review for Michigan toy soldier.. I recall he liked them..but only for flesh
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  10. grasshopper PlanetFigure Supporter

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    Sent a note to AK asking for pigment listings and product data sheets which is a universal product support offering from oil makers..except perhaps the cheapest of student products..will revert if I hear anything and post any info I can get..
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  11. Tubby-Nuts2 PlanetFigure Supporter

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    Thanks. I missed this and another post whilst searching. How? I’ve no idea.

    There’s a few interesting things on his methods, the use of material to wipe excess oil off. I’m not sure about that one!

    He’s predominantly wet on dry, which I quite like, although he says 70% dry.

    His use of a tile, which retains all of the oil, rather than the index card soaking method. Which is ok, depending on what finish one is seeking?

    However, he does mention the pigment qualities which is what I was after. Quote ‘Extra Fine’. So there maybe some legs in these paint’s after all, other than for weathering of AFV. However those vehicles are predominantly 1/35th. So I would expect a fine pigment for such things.

    Mark.
  12. Mirofsoft A Fixture

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    There’s a few interesting things on his methods, the use of material to wipe excess oil off. I’m not sure about that one!
    Mark.[/quote]

    This method; wiping of oil with a sponge was firstly ued to paint horses, a method introduced first part of the 70ies by M Longhurts, giving incredible and quick results
    I try that and like it, I extended the method to human skin

    Paint simply with Humbrol flesh added more or les( even none ) white, leave it to dry then apply a burn umber direct from the tube or .. according to the result yous wish, wip of with a sponge and you see directly shadows and higlights, now ad darker brwon to shadow and a touch of white to highlight and wit a round brush not pointed, do as women does with their make-up... blend.. again, again, again .... I like a lot this method particularly when painting women, giving a satin tawny result .
    I like to paint them as the Fargas pin-up
    I already showed this one, an exemple of the result when applying this method
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  13. grasshopper PlanetFigure Supporter

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    Kqgamusha is fluent on the style..scrub coats as he calls it..entirely different approach..works well with transparent colours..a very different approach that contradicts much established thought in using oils on miniatures..doesn’t result in sheen or need dull coat either, nor use base coats in enamels or acrylics..
  14. Tubby-Nuts2 PlanetFigure Supporter

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    Thanks Miro. I’m aware of the methodology behind it. Very similar to ‘Verlinden’s supposed system, and many more variations of taking out excess oil, from a figure. Clearly it’s just the tool we prefer. Cloth. Brush. Sponge. Naps bum-hair, (perhaps not, too rough).

    I just wasn’t sure about the use of cloth, over other options.

    Mark.
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  15. grasshopper PlanetFigure Supporter

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    Mark, look back thru Kagamushas various sbs..generally he uses transparent oxides in mixes as his go to for scrub coats..these tend to be finer grind than natural,earth pigments..and he uses more old Holland than other brands..OH dries to the matte, is thicker in texture, due waxes in their formula...to go another way, more traditional, Phil H uses more buttery stuff like Michael Harding ..it has some sheen..part of the fun in playing with oils is that each brand, sometimes each colour within a brand, has its own characteristic nature..and of course they are all intended for 1/1 size..vs the tiny subjects, thin layers of our hobby..
  16. Tubby-Nuts2 PlanetFigure Supporter

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    I’ve known Ron, for a long time, and am aware of his ‘Scrub-Coat’, method. He taught me this a long time ago, amongst a barrage of other methods and materials. A damn good bloke, who will help whoever asks. A rare man.

    Mark.
  17. Tubby-Nuts2 PlanetFigure Supporter

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    I too have been availed as to Ron’s knowledge of oil’s. Types, cost, valuation and thought. A veritable bucket of knowledge. Lol.

    Mark.
  18. grasshopper PlanetFigure Supporter

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    That’s why I picked Grasshopper..he’s the Master, and one of the most generous individuals I’ve had the pleasure to run across....in art and in our hobby, there is no “Right” way..it’s a journey of exploration and learning, else we would still be scratching red ocher on cave walls...it’s guys like Ron who go against the norm, break the rules..and so come to new approaches..the rest of us can take the cues and adopt what works for our own play, and in the process appreciate how good the real masters actually are
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  19. Ronaldo Active Member

    Got to agree with most of what has been said here , and as for showing a video of unboxing anything : what's the bloody point in that :) You would get more excitement in Heaven on a Saturday night .
    Looks to me someone is wanting to cash in on the Acrylic market of paint box sets for specific tones , just won't work for oils
    as the whole concept is versatility of the paint .
    And of course there is the best advice ever re oils " Stay clear of beginners start up box sets "

    You want wood effect on items of relief : go the Ron Clark method .
  20. Stelios Demiras A Fixture

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    Hello everyone!
    When you are visiting a hobby shop do you open the box to see the content if the box is not sealed or if the owner letting you do it? When a lot of physical shops were still opened I used to go on Saturday morning with some friends to check out the new kits, products, meeting each other...Now, most of the shops are e-shops and we do not have the opportunity to see the products in real or there is no time to go for a visit there. The open box videos are bringing to you what is in the box! Yes, you can read the description but as these products are new to a lot of us I thought will be useful to see the color tones or hues in the tubes. For example: do you know the Bitume oil? I have seen some artists using this description but even I was painting with oils for over of 15 years I am not familiar with this hue...Warm Red?Faded Dark Yellow?Brown Wash? I am familiar with artists' oils Winsor & Newton, Rembrandt, Michael Harding, Rowney...etc.Most of them are using same or similar names for specific hues so you have a guide even if in most cases the mixes are not given exactly the same results. But they are near to what we have in mind...So the 502 Abteilung oils series that started with Mig Productions had names with hues closely to hobby paints like Humbrol etc...not artists' names. Even I needed some test mixing the colors to have the color tones I was looking for. I thought will be useful to show the inside pigments as these are very fine artists' quality, very clean, vibrant in some cases (perhaps they have some oil more) and closer to our hobby color paint names. And less expensive. Soon I will do some real tests using them but for the first impression, I thought that this video offers a lot. Like, visiting a local hobby shop with a friendly owner that left you to check the inside product:):). Also having these in mind I do open box presentations for figures, materials etc. You can see what are you buying! And at the end...a lot of people are new to oils...and to color theory...a readily mixed oil tone will help them succeeding a good result!

    Happy and Prosperous New Year to All
    Stelios
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