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WIP My Kingdom for a horse

Discussion in 'vBench (Works in Progress)' started by DioramaArt, Aug 8, 2019.

  1. DioramaArt Well-Known Member

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    Battle of Bosworth 1485 - last moments of Richard III

    Started work on a small 1/35 vignette, similar in look (medieval) to my last work, set in the final moments of Richard III, Battle of Bosworth 1485 during the war of the Roses. The last king of England to die in battle on English soil.

    All the figures will be turned into Billmen with the central figure a knight, Richard having just lost his horse.

    Converting and resculpting 1/35 Masterbox horses and Miniart figures with Hornet heads.

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  2. Viking Bob PlanetFigure Supporter

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    Not my period but this looks very good, following.
    (Where is the car park).
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  3. Tannvargur New Member

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    Looking forward to follow this build. Always interesting to see how people have been thinking when they have decided to do a diorama. So many interesting aspects to have in mind when the little story is being told. Good luck!

    Oskar
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  4. Warren SMITH PlanetFigure Supporter

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    Love your work...
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  5. Chris Oldfield Active Member

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    Although it's not my period of interest either Marcus, I love the way you create your figures & get them to interact together. The scratchbuilt weapons are extremely good!
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  6. harrytheheid PlanetFigure Supporter

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    I can only echo the comments made already.
    Really looking forward to seeing this finished.
    (y)
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  7. Nap Forum Moderator

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    England

    Agree there H

    Marcus has a real talent for the modelling like this ....good at storytelling in a project

    All those weapons handmade as well!!!!


    Too many legs for me mate

    " Car Park "

    .......outside my office first thing before assembly starts .....

    Nap
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  8. NeilW Active Member

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    A great idea: you seem to come up with obvious sounding projects that nobody else seems to have thought of :)

    Funnily enough I've just been browsing through the comments on Steve's poll on historicalaccuracy: https://www.planetfigure.com/threads/poll-how-important-is-historical-accuracy-to-you.78495/page-3

    So, in line with the Leicester car park findings, will Richard have a spinal deformity (not necessarily 'crouch-backed, but certainly lost height and, like me, uneven shoulders)?

    ... it doesn't look like it so far?

    See:
    https://www.livescience.com/45974-model-twisted-richard-iii-spine.html

    In 1490, just five years after Richard's death in battle, however, medieval historian John Rous described the king as a small man with "unequal shoulders, the right higher and the left lower." This description is consistent with scoliosis, a condition in which the spine curves sideways.
    Richard III's rediscovered skeleton revealed that the king did, in fact, have scoliosis. Now, researchers led by University of Leicester bioarchaeologist Jo Appleby reveals the details of his condition...
    ... "The condition would have meant that his trunk was short in comparison to the length of his limbs and his right shoulder would have been slightly higher than the left," she said, "but this could have been disguised by custom-made armor and by having a good tailor."
    and: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2643056/Richard-III-wasnt-hunchback-did-scoliosis-scans-reveal.html

  9. DioramaArt Well-Known Member

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    Good points, I intend to shorten Richards Torso slightly, but for artistic reasons (he is the central figure) I don’t want him significantly shorter than the other figures, also I’m yet to make the body armour for him so supporting/covering any obvious physical abnormality. Accounts indicate Richard fought bravely till the last moment.
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  10. DioramaArt Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the support guys :)
  11. DioramaArt Well-Known Member

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    Did an SBS on how to make a Sword if it’s any use to anyone.

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    Also making helmet and crown for the king.

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  12. NeilW Active Member

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    Sounds sensible and, yes, all reports suggest that he was an intrepid fighter.
    I suppose you could get over the height issue by putting him on slightly higher ground?
    Just a thought, but as you do such radical surgery and use Hornet heads/hands, might you as well scratchbuild the figures themselves?
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  13. brian A Fixture

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    Look forward to seeing your progress.One of my favourite periods ,especially Richard 111.I watched a programme on tv recently which took a young fella with the same condition as Richard had,and made taylor made armour for him.They then had him go through a personal training regime,as well as teaching him how to ride a horse.He was able to carry out all battle situations ,on foot,as well as jousting with a lance.Once he was fully armoured you wouldn't notice anything different from anyone else,other than he was slightly smaller,but not by much.
    I personnally wouldn't shorten him,as you would lose the focal point of your diorama,which is Richard
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  14. NeilW Active Member

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    This guy I assume: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/11...ior-...-and-his-body-double-can-prove-it.html

    As stated, the loss of height seems to have been the main visible issue. I have a 'lost' 2-3" as well as uneven shoulders and, in my case, hips due to my skeletal deformity (not scoliosis), so I can never buy armour off-the-peg either :grumpy:.

    Nevertheless, as the Leicester dig testifies, he was disabled enough to get an unlimited duration and free parking space (not so much white boar, more of a blue badge) ;)
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  15. DioramaArt Well-Known Member

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    I plan to set the scene in the marsh, at best this would be flat, I could do slightly sloping backwards as some accounts indicate the fighting took place on the edge of the marsh itself. That would make Richard stand out a little (excuse the pun) being in the foreground.
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  16. DioramaArt Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for the link, it ties I with what I’ve read so far, the armour worn by Richard would not only protect him, it would act as exoskeleton supporting any natural weakness and deformity in his spine. To anyone who didn’t know he would stand proud as the warrior king he was.

    Ha haaa, love the bit about the parking badge.

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  17. DioramaArt Well-Known Member

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    It’s a confidence thing to do the whole figure sculpting, it’s something I want to try soon.
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  18. DioramaArt Well-Known Member

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    Thank you, yes I was uncertain in shortening him, in armour I figured that would disguise any abnormality or height issue as well as maintaining focus for the viewer on the central figure in the scene.
  19. NeilW Active Member

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    United-Kingdom
    ... well you do pretty well with the other stuff (y)

    You could try pose-able mannequins but from what I see they're disproportionately expensive, otherwise this link gives step by step guide on making a basic body which can then be posed:
    https://rover-miniatures.com/scratchbuilding-with-a-mannequin.html

    Years since I've done it, but these give good refs for armature making and scales:
    https://imgur.com/uD8lJFu (click on the image to enlarge)
    https://davidneat.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/morgan-keith-armature-diagram.jpg
    https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/20055160810311384/
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  20. DioramaArt Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the links :)

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