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More advice for another oilman

Discussion in 'Oils' started by DEL, May 27, 2015.

  1. DEL A Fixture

    Country:
    Scotland
    Have any of you guys painted undercoat directly onto resin?
    Because I'll be finishing in oil I'd prefer to avoid any layers I can, particularly primer.
    I'm about to work on a small highly detailed fantasy figure with a lot of intricate detail that I
    I don't want to obscure.
    Cheers
    Derek
  2. John Bowery A Fixture

    Country:
    United-States
    Derek,
    I always undercoat.......... You can undercoat with Vallejo surface primer and apply it by brush and that way you can get a thin undercoat. If to thin repeat. Comes in white or grey.
    This is just my preferred choice as I don't like to take chances. I usually undercoat flesh with Humbrol 63. Thin double coat

    Cheers
    John
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  3. Ferris A Fixture

    I remember Verlinden the Great skipped even the undercoat and painted with oils directly on the resin. At least for faces and sand-coloured resin.
    On delicate pieces I like to use an undercoat of thinned matt grey Humbrul, applied by brush. It doesn't fully cover, but gives enough bite for the next layers.

    Cheers
    Adrian
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  4. Martin64 A Fixture

    Country:
    Germany
    I never had any problems painting acrylics without an undercoat directly onto resin. Tested Vallejo primer nevertheless applied by brush to identify areas where some more smoothing out was necessary and it works fine.
    Cheers, Martin
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  5. Wings5797 A Fixture

    Country:
    France
    Hi Del,
    For me, unlike metal, resin will take oil direct so long as the surface is scrupulously clean and free of any trace of release agents. However, and I think that you will know what I mean when I say that, on resin that is very smooth to the point of a polished finish with no key ability I would give a thin brush over with acrylic first.
    Cheers
    Keith
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  6. kagemusha A Fixture

    Country:
    United-Kingdom
    Hi Del.....as said....oils do need a 'keying/toothed' ground....to avoid obscuring detail....use a base coat of matt sealer to provide the 'grip' for the oils.....oils dry by penetration as well as oxidisation.
    Think of it this way....a plant needs to put down roots in order to remain in place....same with oils.

    Ron
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  7. megroot A Fixture

    Country:
    Netherlands
    On resin figures I painted directly on the primer. Never had any problem.
    As Ivo Preda said: with a undercoating, you are just coloring the primer.

    Marc
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  8. DEL A Fixture

    Country:
    Scotland
    Thanks guys. I've decided to go with primer only and skip the undercoat.
    Going to use different coloured primers for different areas, so quite a bit of masking involved.
    That way I can go directly with the oils. I tend to work wet on dry so first oil coat, after thoroughly drying, will also serve as the undercoat.
    Cheers
    Derek
  9. DEL A Fixture

    Country:
    Scotland
    Back to basics. Having spent the morning farting about with various primers in various combinations, on resin and metal I'm right back to where I started years ago.
    Good old Halfords Grey Primer (y)
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  10. Helm A Fixture

    Country:
    England
    If it aint broke dont fix Del. Tried and tested by myself as sell
    Steve
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  11. megroot A Fixture

    Country:
    Netherlands
    never change a winning team.

    Marc
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  12. Mark S Guest

    DEL....."Good old Halfords Grey Primer"
    A quick go over with good old Halfords grey primer, then it's one easy step to a nice blue rinse .

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  13. Ron Tamburrini A Fixture

    Country:
    United-Kingdom
    why the feck did you even go there , you know the score!!! oils need something to bit into or you will get blinded with the sheen , but you know that too :D
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  14. Gaudin A Fixture

    Country:
    United-Kingdom

    Del with blue rinse, that is a mental image that will entertain me for years to come :ROFLMAO:

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