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WIP La Garde Recule - Waterloo 1815

Discussion in 'vBench (Works in Progress)' started by smudger1960, Jan 11, 2015.

  1. smudger1960 PlanetFigure Supporter

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    Many thanks Patrick,I'm the reverse of you now,I used to paint lots of figures but now it's mostly busts I do,I might throw the odd figure in now and then,you should give it a go mate in a smaller scale,thanks for your kind comments mate
  2. smudger1960 PlanetFigure Supporter

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    Following on from the first post I have now added more of the greatcoat to the 3rd bust,again photos were taken with and without the musket for check of fit,the knapsack was added along with epaulettes and crossbelts,buttons were also added,again all the conversion work was done with magic sculp.

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    Thanks for looking

    Brian
  3. Nap A Fixture

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    Brian ,


    I salute you Sir ...a piece which will be a talking point for a long time..great conversion

    Looking forward to seeing more on this ...and the painting

    Nap
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  4. smudger1960 PlanetFigure Supporter

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    Cheers Kev,busts 4 and 5 will be a challenge but I'm slowly getting there,still some tidying up to do on all the pieces yet
  5. Tonton Well-Known Member

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    I think this concept is awesome, Brian. However, if I had the skill to attempt something like it, I’d probably look at giving a Guard or two a bicorne or forage cap, just to break-up the uniformity a bit. Although the Guard were not as poorly equipped as some other French regiments at Waterloo they had to make-do with what was available, following the 1813/1814 campaigns and the huge losses of the disastrous Russian expedition.

    To my mind, that would give an even better feel of the desperate action.

    Jeff
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  6. Wings5797 A Fixture

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    He is looking really good Brian.
    Your conversions and tweaks on these pieces is giving an amazing improvement to already wonderful figures.
    This is a riveting post to the point that I wait with baited breath for the next installment.
    All the beast,
    Keith
  7. smudger1960 PlanetFigure Supporter

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    Hi Jeff,thanks for the input,I do plan to break it up a little,I have one of them planned possibly for a bicorne or barehead,not sure yet,also the officer will have a different look as well,I never planned for all of them to have the bearskin,as you say,by the time of the waterloo campaign,uniforms were very hard to get hold of,even for the gaurd,and some french historians have it that regiments of the Middle and Young gaurd were very poorly dressed ,with a multitude of different uniform items,as for the old gaurd grenadiers a pied and chassuers a pied,these were reasonably dressed and kitted out,one thing that has been agreed on is that it's almost certain that the gaurd wore the overalls and greatcoats less ornaments for this campaign.
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  8. smudger1960 PlanetFigure Supporter

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    Many thanks Keith,I'm still tweaking busts 2 and 3 and I've made a start on bust 4,so things are moving along nicely mate,glad your enjoying it mate.
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  9. kagemusha A Fixture

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    Have to ask Brian....where do you go after this mate.....concept is mind blowing.....a real 'Masterclass' in every respect....:woot:

    Ron
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  10. smudger1960 PlanetFigure Supporter

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    To be honest Ron I don't know,this is something I've wanted to do for a long time and hav'nt got round to,but with the anniversary of waterloo this year I set my stall out mate to do it,if it turns out like I hope then I'll probably do another one but American Civil War next time.
    Many thanks for your kind words and comments,I'm glad you're enjoying it.
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  11. Gra30 PlanetFigure Supporter

    Absolutely brilliant Brian. Don't forget the earrings, they were a must for the old guard :)
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  12. Wings5797 A Fixture

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    Watch out Terracotta Army, UK's Smudger is en route.
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  13. smudger1960 PlanetFigure Supporter

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    I'm leaving them till last graham and the greatcoat rank chevrons
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  14. Gra30 PlanetFigure Supporter

    Dropped you a message mate :)
  15. smudger1960 PlanetFigure Supporter

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    Ok
  16. TADATSUGU Guest

    Please don't misunderstand this Brian, I think your work on this is terrific, but on the other hand, I need to point out the common misconception here. Those that have seen my posts on other threads about this topic (the 1st Grenadiers at Waterloo) will now be thinking my record has already been worn out, and many have already pointed out they don't care too much about historical accuracy (?), but your own comments would suggest that you do.
    I don't want to repeat what has been said on my other posts ad nauseum but my main points are:-
    1) Although the Guard was repulsed on the Mont St John ridge, it was the 3rd and 4th Grenadiers/Chasseurs that broke, and even this was not the "walkover" for the the allies, that is commonly suggested.
    The 1st Grenadiers, (composed, together with the 2nd Grenadiers and 1st/2nd Chasseurs, of most of the Guard's remaining veterans), were never broken. They, in keeping with the Guard's reputation, maintained their good order throughout, provided refuge for most of the Guard Generals as well as Napoleon himself, and withdrew in good order, with relatively light losses.
    2) As the Eagle would have been inside the square as the allied advance took place, at a time when the sides of the square have been described as being up to ten men deep, I cannot accept there would be any need for the colour party to be adopting the dynamic or desperate poses commonly depicted in models/paintings.
    3) The colour (the flag) on the model you are using is most probably wrong for Waterloo.
    I don't mean to be critical of your work, which I greatly admire. I am only trying to clarify the comment you made about the Guard being repulsed by an implied inferior force and to point out some potential inaccuracies in the concept of this project, which will still undoubtably produce both a dynamic and artistic model.
    If you wish to discuss or dispute my comments further, I would be happy to do so but would rather you do so by personnel message, as many other members have already expressed some disinterest, if not open animosity over my comments on this issue elsewhere.
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  17. smudger1960 PlanetFigure Supporter

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    PM sent
  18. smudger1960 PlanetFigure Supporter

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    I would like to take this opportunity to ask my fellow modellers and friends that if they have any serious concerns about historical accuracy and facts related to this piece and wish to raise quite a number of points like the gentleman above,then could I ask you to private message me please,this is the 2nd time now in a row this sort of posting has happened to me,I had the same thing with my last post as well 'In Gods Hands',I don't mind comments that are kept to a minimum,it's when people go out of their way to write half an essay on what you're doing wrong instead of appreciating the hard work that goes in Modeling and painting these pieces,I also find it disrespectful to the sculptors who produce these amazing pieces of work.
    I have private messaged the gentleman above as he asked but I would also like to point out that it would have been better for him to have private messaged me in the first place instead of posting in the forum.
    I've had my f-----g rant for the day now,off to the gym to smash s--t out of a punchbag

    It must be my period month
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  19. Gra30 PlanetFigure Supporter

    Sorry, your initial post was on another 75mm piece.

    I researched the colour and can assure you, according to my references, it is correct.
    I am happy to post the source(s).
    Please can you clarify what you think is correct as you seem to be an expert and have greater knowledge.

    Personal opinion is fine but when you discredit a piece on mine, that I have researched, it is a different ball game and forgive me, but I will come back guns blazing to prove my pieces are done with research. You will know after the defeat of 1812, less ornate colours were issued, the Eagles also varied and are well documented. They changed in beak style and crouching posture. The colours did not have the fringe and the battle honours shown on the reverse are correct, I can list them if you wish. Only the 1st grenadiers des pied carried the colours at the battle which this figure represents.
    The only thing that was unachievable to be done in this scale was the wording on the eagle base which should say ' Garde Imperiale'

    Are you sure you are not confusing yourself with the previous figure you commented on that did have a more ornate flag, if so please clarify and remove your doubt on my piece.

    I see no grounding for your comments on the pose of the colour party, how is the man holding the colour dynamic, if anything he is resolute to his defeat.
    As for the comments on Brian's piece, it is a shame the excellent work cannot be appreciated and is soiled by comments best kept to ones self, did they really need saying ? I look forward to seeing your 100% historically correct pieces soon Tadatsugu !!!!!!!
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  20. smudger1960 PlanetFigure Supporter

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    I look forward to seeing them too graham !

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