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Grand Master of Teutonic Order. Second half XIII

Discussion in 'General Figure Talk' started by BlackWarrior, Jul 9, 2004.

  1. BlackWarrior Member

    Country:
    South-Korea
    Hi~~~
    :lol:
    This is my latest stuff.
    The figure is from pegaso.

    I painted this using acrylic paint and oils.

    i'm very happy to close my latest work...
    i'm very sleepy...

    have a nice day!!!

    Cheers
    Kyong-Jae Lee.

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  2. Guy A Fixture

    Country:
    United-States
    Beautiful work Kyong-Jae..................excellent heraldry and presentation......Whats next for you to paint?............Look forward to seeing your next work.
  3. KeithP Active Member

    Country:
    United-States
    Super job. I am working on this one myself now.

    Was the white surcoat done in acrylics? Can you share your mix?

    Heraldry is very well done too!

    Keith
  4. Edson Member

    Country:
    Mexico
    It´s a great work Kyong-Jae thanks for sharing it !!! :lol:

    Regards
    Ed ;)
  5. DrLutz Member

    Country:
    Israel
    Excellent work!
    I always glad to see and study something new, thank you.
    Now I have a question about a heraldry. Whose shield is it? It's very similar to Grand Master Conrad Von Veichtwangen's coat of arm, but not the very same. May I ask about a link for reference?

    Best regards
    DrLutz
  6. KeithP Active Member

    Country:
    United-States
    Vlad-

    You raise a good point on the heraldry. I have not been able to locate a great deal of info on Teutonic order heraldry other than the traditional crosses. If anyone has add'l info on this subject, pls share.

    The rational behind this figures device is explained in the fig notes from Pegaso. IF you are interested, I can scan that in and email you. Let me know.

    Keith
  7. Roc Active Member

    Country:
    United-States
    Kyong, nicely done, I particularly like the heraldry.

    Keep up the good work and happy painting.

    Roc. :)
  8. DrLutz Member

    Country:
    Israel
    Keith
    Here's a link for some interesting things of a subject.

    http://bel-knight.com/heraldry/viewgerbs.p...ge=1&viewtype=1

    ...Coats of arms of some Great Magisters of Teutonic Order. A source is unknown to me, but I think this is from polish heraldry archive book named "Maly Herbownik". At least inscriptions in the pictures are in polish. And all the rest of a text in russian, but it explain nothing. They also write 'the source is unknown'.
    I'll be pleased very much if you could email me scans of Pegaso. My e-mail is in profile.

    Thank you and thanks once again to Kyong-Jae Lee

    DrLutz
  9. BlackWarrior Member

    Country:
    South-Korea
    :lol:
    Dear Guy.

    Thank you responseing for my shameful stuff.
    Yesterday, I was very sleepy, then i have to go sleep :)

    Firstly, there is a difficult deciding what do i paint this flag. This figure have a good
    shape for express master's authority. But, the box art was painted simple signature. Then, i thought, if this master take part in a battle, he must have simple flag in his spear. if he want to represent some authority in a battlefield, certainly, he have a secretary or assistant. The flag represented master is carried by them.

    Then, I have decided to paint simple signature in his spear.

    To paint this signature, firstly, i tried to paint this in freehand. but this trial failed.
    Then second time, i decided to use some stencil method.


    Like other people, i owned several product from various company. then, this is very difficult to decide what will be painted. :lol:
    I have painted some figure in basic step in painting like as Polish mounted from Duglas Lee and Germany Office Bust from Jagure Models.

    I like mounted figure, especially, east asia. then, I maybe select Chinese Mounted Warrior from Atina Models for the next item.

    Thank you Guys.

    Have a nice day!!!
  10. Guy A Fixture

    Country:
    United-States
    That Chinese Mounted from Aitna sounds right up my alley......I have looked at that kit several times but haven't purchased it yet. I look forward to seeing you paint it.
  11. BlackWarrior Member

    Country:
    South-Korea
    Dear KeithP

    :lol:

    thank you your cheering response.

    I'm sorry that i don't know the exactly correct mix of my figure.
    firstly, I painted using Acrylic paint from Anderea, Vallejo.
    The color is the white and Ivory and dark green... anyway i used several paint for expressing warm coloring. and i attached very thined layer in color of yellow.
    But, the result was disappointed. Then, I tried to attach some thined oil layer using low umber. After all, my figure's darkening area is consisted with some low umber and mix of grey.

    I'm sorry that i can't explain my mix of color. But, i tried to express my feeling suitable this figure using several color mix.

    have a nice day KeithP !!!

    Thank you
  12. BlackWarrior Member

    Country:
    South-Korea
    Dear Edson

    Thank you your cheering response.

    My latest stuff is not a best figure to painting this figure. but, I am glad to feel that my technic and my feeling go better than my previous stuff. :lol:

    Thank you...
    have a nice day!!! Edson...
  13. BlackWarrior Member

    Country:
    South-Korea
    Dear DrLutz.
    :lol:
    Thank you for response.

    I'm sorry that this is very difficult to me researching Teutonic Order. especially,
    The Crusade and Like this Order is history area of Europe.
    Then, Asian Painter Like me have some trouble express historical accurancy.

    I read some books from the osprey publishing and some Web article.. :)
    and i have decide to paint flag like this. because the box art is best resource to me. ;)

    I'm sorry that i can't express historical accurancy for Teutonic Order. but, If i get more good information for them, i will be post them.

    Thank you... cheering response.
    Have a nice day!!! DrLutz.
  14. KeithP Active Member

    Country:
    United-States
    Vlad-

    That is a super link for me. #10 is von Feuctwagen ~1290 who Pegaso lists as the box art representative. So, the Pegaso heraldy may not be exact. But, who know's anyway...

    I'll scan the box art notes in and get that to you tomorrow.

    Thanks!

    Keith
  15. DrLutz Member

    Country:
    Israel
    Keith

    here's some more interesting links . The first one - banners of Teutonic Order Komturias (komturis - regional branch of the Order)

    http://flagspot.net/flags/de_to-1.html

    The next link is about Order's banners in the Battle of Tannenberg (Grunewald) 15.07.1410. There are mostly banners that were captured in the battle. A complete description of all 51 banners took part in the battle (only a description, not pictures though) you can find in a book "The History Of Poland" written by Dlugoscz.

    http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/matthaywood/mai...c_Standards.htm

    My opinion is that maybe it could be preferable to paint a komturias banners of some reasons. First of all The Grand Master never carried the Ordo's standard by himself. For this purpose there was a special group of about 10 mounted knight (so together with their sergeants or squairs it had to be about 100 men). By the way there was one more group of knights that carried an extra banner rounded on the spair for the case the main stanndard spair will break in a battle. A long story, yeah?
    But in a case of komturias' banners it could be much simplier, I suppose.
  16. DrLutz Member

    Country:
    Israel
    Kyong-Jae

    I love to see more and more times at your work. If only I could paint like you!

    My previous post (I hope it will be usefull to you) means that it newer enough knowledge or information to be perfect. It means as well that you are welcome to ask if you want. Though I'm not a specialist in medieval history nor in history at all, but if I can help you - I will.

    Sincerely yours
    Dr Lutz

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