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Goethbusters!

Discussion in 'Sculpting' started by Renéduret, Dec 27, 2010.

  1. Renéduret Well-Known Member

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    Netherlands
    some shots to look for improvements...

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  2. gordy Well-Known Member

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    Very nice progress - with that nose and chin / profile .... Ralph Fiennes ?
  3. TWOMOONS Active Member

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    The "creepy" Will Rogers?
    O,r riding on Gordy's guess: Fiennes from "Schindler's List"?
  4. pinsel Active Member

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    Germany
    hello rene
    its easy to see how our sculpting abilities have developed to an high level.
    i dare to try
    Ammon Goeth?
    if you make some casts of this maybe you would sell on to me
    cheers
  5. Renéduret Well-Known Member

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    Netherlands
    At last!

    I gave some subtile hints, like 'Refienning' and ofcourse the 'l i s t ' :)

    it's Ralph indeed and he is a hard one, but pleasant to sculpt.
    In '93 he was 31, gained a lot of kilo's for his role of Amon in Schindlers' list. This weight was also to be seen in his face, but also subtile.

    On a lot of photos he is smiling, this dramaticly alters his face, I plan to give him a thin smirk and arrogant face.


    I fixated his eyes already by baking and this distance was already dertermined, yesterday I noticed I had applied too much clay so Ralph looked out of shape.
    Couldn't see it at first but grabbed the königs head and had better measurements.

    The hair is optional, I also did this for measurement and to get the Amonfeel....

    I found a good medium, creall therm. soft thermo clay that's easily polished between jobs with fingertips or brushes.
    I still need to get used to the somewhat softer stuff.

    I am thinking of the scene with the mirror, or without it but it's a very dramatic pose when he 'pardons you' with his right hand lifted.

    He is also doing some stretching with a rifle ( not a K98 ), in this posture it would be a waste not to depict him fully figured.

    Chances are I will paint him in greytones and put some ultra red playingcards in his hand.



    Markus,
    we stay in touch.

    thanks all...and a happy new year!

    René
  6. gordy Well-Known Member

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    United-States
    Woohoo! I guessed right :D

    Excellent ideas René -

    Other great casts: The Duchess (nice tricorn options ;) ) and Hurt Locker
  7. pinsel Active Member

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    Germany
    hello rene
    that was ralph fiennes.i never recognized him.will be interested to see how it will look at end.
    well one sees in any case the look of Goeth in your sculpt you helped but at least the head looks very true like the actor.
    well done
    happy new year
    yes please lets stay in touch
    cheers
  8. Renéduret Well-Known Member

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    Netherlands
    it's only the beginning Markus.
    When proportions are right and you have an overall good feel you start examining the different sections and look for the best combination.

    that means, without being aware I have the same mimics on my face when applying them :)

    recently I also use reflection of my monitor to find out what's wrong.

    Amon gained some weight in the movie, how is this translated on his face?
    Are there more 'soft' sections compared to his more up to date pictures?

    I still like making fantasy figures better but now and then for me it's good to have a little study.

    René
  9. mil-mart A Fixture

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    United-Kingdom
    Rene, you've chosen a a great subject and I'm kicking myself for not getting it. Nice start and looking forward to following.

    Cheers Ken
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  10. pokrad A Fixture

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    This looks excellent Rene !!!
  11. Renéduret Well-Known Member

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    Netherlands
    thank you Darko...

    still not content but have a nice, long night planned for him..:)

    Ren'e
  12. Ferris A Fixture

    Very impressive René!
    Your head sculpting definitely is on a steep learning curve.
    I look forward to further following your thread.

    Cheers,
    Adrian
  13. Renéduret Well-Known Member

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    Netherlands
    thanks Adrian,

    went for another try.
    I missed some particular dephts, especially the chin section.
    Things that don't occur that much when drawing a person instead of sculpting.
    Though, hard to notice from just pics on the internet.

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    regards,

    René
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  14. Renéduret Well-Known Member

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    worse lighting but great for studying.

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  15. Renéduret Well-Known Member

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    still puzzling...

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  16. IIICorps Active Member

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    United-States
    Profile is close to Leonard Nimoy.
    :)
  17. gordy Well-Known Member

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    United-States
    looking great René! (y)
  18. Renéduret Well-Known Member

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    Netherlands
    It's quite ironic, factually.

    Promised myself not to head for long time endurance projects like Harris' bust some time ago.
    Non-intented a lot of time is spent on research again.
    Working for long hours on a head is not satisfactory where just 5 minutes altering can do more good.
    Painfully I need to tear down the Damien Lewis, Robert Kennedy, Ben Kingsley that sometimes appear in my sculpt....

    The amount of common pictures can be dazzling, decided to use this database:

    http://www.tier8.net/ralph-fiennes/

    very specific and the best rendition of Ralph in this role.

    René
  19. Renéduret Well-Known Member

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    Netherlands
  20. MattS Active Member

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    United-States
    Rene,

    I think this last version has more of the right look for Goeth. I find it helpful with likenesses to start with the basic shape of the head fully forming the skull and neck and overal shape of the face gefore starting features. You know you're there when the likeness can be seen even without fully formed features. Looking at the profile, the nose looks a bit too pronounced. Perhaps put your sculpt pics next to pics of the actor in the same view to see the differences. I think the jawline needs more development. Perhaps the ears are a bit too far back on the head? The start of the ear is usually about 1/2 from the brow ridge and back of the cranium.

    Keep up the great work? Is this super sculpey?

    Matt

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