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I said I was going to stay schtum on this thread but that was before I heard that the Camberley show is on at the same time
Could somebody let me know where Camberley is?
 
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smudger1960 said:
I changed hotels this year,I stayed at the Carlton which did'nt seem too bad,cleaner than the southcliffe,anyway,I only want somewhere to sleep and have breakfast and then it's off to the show,it's such a shame that some of these classic old Victorian buildings are now decaying and starting to show their age,this place must have been something special in Victoria's time,however I would'nt want it moved,Folkestone is Euro and it's a great show with great people,I would like to see the napoleonic re-enactors could back though with their cannons outside the leas,I used to love this.
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Brian

Sadly it wasn't the show that put a stop to the re-enactors performing on the Leas, I'm afraid it was the locals who live on the front, complained about the noise to the council. I used to like watching popping up to the Leas to watch the various re-enactors go through their drills.

For me Euro is the ultimate show, and I'll keep on attending, and supporting it for as long as I can.
I've read a few posts by some folk who seem to love knocking the show, yet they don't even attend it.
Sad really.

Malc
 
brian said:
I said I was going to stay schtum on this thread but that was before I heard that the Camberley show is on at the same time
Could somebody let me know where Camberley is?
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Brian
If its the Camberley I'm thinking of, it's in Berkshire, near Sandhurst if my memory serves me well.

Malc
 
Having attended Euromilitaire throughout the nineties and some more times later on I followed this thread with interest.
From my side the surroundings like outdated and overprized hotels etc. were in a way part of the experience - and there were more than once discussions about BOS awards - they did not keep me away from attending the show or from putting a model down into the showroom as a "thank you" for the organizers.
I fully agree that in respect to numbers of visitors and vendors a while ago the show began to change compared to the nineties. Euro Militaire will naturally be compared to the times when you could hardly get through to tables of certain vendors and when crowds of visitors left the place laden with the annual new big release of Andrea Miniatures, Poste Militaire, Pegaso or else - so it will nowadays always be smaller, more expensive etc.
IMHO it is not fair to put the blame for that change on the shoulders of the organizers. I think the hobby has changed since then and had its effect on many shows.
Maybe the sharing of a table and rent can make the show more affordable for small traders?
Hope to "be back" one day.
Cheers, Martin
 
Well I've very carefully read every contribution to this thread and certain things are clear to me.

1) £14.00 for a two day priority pass was not the value I thought, even though one of the first chaps I spoke too was a very tall read headed chap raving enthusiastic about two large horror busts I know he loves :)

2) Trekking down from Liverpool changind at St pancras and arriving at the station next to my hotel at 10.15 bang on time after starting an hour late, in complete comfort for £73.00 weekend ticket was an apparent effort? Naah

3) Meeting many of the people I hoped to meet again was terrific and I had a fantastic social time.

4) The faded jaded splendour of folkestone is only so because we visit once a year, seaside holidays are just not enough to keep the town hotels going, why would we expect more, we know what we are going to get.

5) There's a lot of cold and poor breakfats in the hotels.
But not where me n smudge went for breakkie....... And ee are not telling you lot !

6) The competitions were well supported in some categories, and breathtaking beyond belief.
I put my entries on show and looked around thinking, j3sus I've got no chance, and justifiably I was right!

7) Apart from a rent-a-gob on the microphone the main hall had a buzz about it, and everyone was full of smiles doing business and having time to relate to their buyers rather than just take their money. Yet again the table prices for traders where high, and traders wre saying that back in 1991, and yes that was me .

8) This was the first time I haven't seen our armed services in attendance... Shame.

9) Once again I sat on the balcony having a ciggie thinking, I"m the only one here that speaks english, ( I was near brian and davey). I am also now better informed, thanks to the sunday stories of the night before as to who enjoyed the tizer and fanta most in the town's drinking establishments. I am ever so proud of you.

10) I spent too much !

11) I returned home in great company, having an educationaly enlightening discourse about brass rubbing ad petcare with ian and the white rose chaps.

12) I'm going next year

13) I hope to see you all at telford in november

Happy modelling.

Paul
 
Babelfish said:
"Expensive" is a very subjective word, depending on what you consider to be value for money.

A tenner to get in may sound a lot, but when you put it into perspective you can pay close to that amount to watch a 2-hour film at your local multiplex. And you can pay three or four times as much (even more at some grounds) to sit in a cramped, fold-down plastic seat and watch a bunch of overpaid primadonnas kicking an artificial pig's bladder around a grass field for 90 minutes.

In Folkestone however on the third weekend in September, your ten quid gets you up to 8 hours to browse at your leisure around one of the most prestigious model shows in the hobby's calendar, with a good chance of picking up some bargains that could more than pay back the price of admission as against ordering online. And while it may not be the show it once was in terms of scale, it's still a great show with all that amazing talent to gaze in awe at "up close and personal". Plus you can get a 2-day ticket for just 14 Pounds if you want to make a weekend of it.

What worries me far more than the admission price for regular punters is what they charge traders for tables. I understand that this is currently a whopping 310 Pounds per single table - which means that once you factor in travel, hotel, food and other costs, a trader has to shift a lot of stock over the weekend in order to make it a worthwhile trip in financial terms. This I feel sure is the reason why we have seen a decline in the number of traders in recent years, both from the UK and abroad. Time was there were so many traders that there was a large marquee on the grass outside because they wouldn't all fit inside the hall. That went some years ago (early 2000s if memory serves) , and the last few EuroMils have seen a further decline to the extent that some club tables have now been relocated to the balconies as "padding" in order to make the place look more full than it really is, because there are no longer enough traders to fill the balconies.

Thankfully the competition remains popular, but my impression is that the organisers are being very short-sighted in charging the traders so much for their pitches, very much to the detriment of the show as a whole. Better promotion would probably also help, and while I did notice an A4 flyer in a town-centre shop window plus a couple of banners promoting the show in Folkestone's High Street, this clearly isn't enough and more needs to be done. The rise and "convenience" of the Internet is probably a factor as well.

- Steve
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Steve
£310 plus vat, plus Public liability ,plus Employers liability per table .
A lot of traders never cover costs here but look at as a PR exercise . add your travel costs , hotel bill and bevvy bill and you are well out of pocket
 
MalcC said:
Brian

Sadly it wasn't the show that put a stop to the re-enactors performing on the Leas, I'm afraid it was the locals who live on the front, complained about the noise to the council. I used to like watching popping up to the Leas to watch the various re-enactors go through their drills.

For me Euro is the ultimate show, and I'll keep on attending, and supporting it for as long as I can.
I've read a few posts by some folk who seem to love knocking the show, yet they don't even attend it.
Sad really.

Malc
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I would have thought folkstone needed all the help it could get , re-enactors and all , was it because they were French and German re's
 
Hi Ron

No, it think it was purely down to the noise from the cannon and gun fire.
Shame how a few can ruin it for many, I'm sure not all the locals were against it.

Malc
 
I will say that since starting this thread it is interesting to see some reactions - we all have opinions and we are all entitled to them. I was not happy with last years and only marginally happier this year but I do feel the show is overpriced. Or not good value for money - however you look at it.

I think the organisers need to re invent the show - I feel that the venue is stale. I personally think an alternative would not be hard to find and re kick start the show. The talent would come along wherever Euro is situated. If the tables were cheaper the traders would still support in large fashion - this year the traders while great seeing favourites were not in abundance. As a modeller of other subjects at Telford I am spoilt for choice - at Euro I had a couple of pre orders set by but that was it.
 
Martin64 said:
The enthusiastic reenactors resembling WW2-Germans were members of the Second Battle Group
https://www.facebook.com/Second-Bat...Historical-Society-1426540624283015/timeline/
- no Germans involved:)
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Haven't seen those guys in Folkestone for the last two Euros.

Every year a couple of them used to pitch up and park their (presumably repro but very good) SdKfz. 222 armoured car on the grass outside before hitting the show looking very much the part in full Waffen SS uniform and all the trimmings. Last time I saw them the effect was quite jarring when one of them came to the SK stand, picked up a 1/35 figure set, waved it at me and enquired in a strong 'Cockney geezer' accent " 'ere mate, ar' much are these then?"

- Steve
 
Gells

actually I wasn't goping to attend this year except a friend wanted to go - it's been 25 years since his last visit! - He wasn't impressed this year.

And I had stuff to collect for trade purposes - To be honest all that I picked up personally I could have got via the net.

Don't think me hypocritical - Last year was poor because of the Italian Nationals and the lack of input - I expected this year to be better - in my opinion it wasn't Euro is on a sliding scale downwards.
 
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