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Discussion in 'Figure News' started by Guy, Mar 14, 2005.

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  1. Guy A Fixture

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    A new release for Elite Miniatures

    Elite Miniatures web site

    Polish Winged Hussar
    70mm White Metal
    Sculpted / painted by Young B. Song

    [IMG]
  2. Figure Mad Well-Known Member

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    Wow... really obscure subject.....I like it :)

    Dave
  3. Guayo New Member

    I do not know much about the Winged Hussards but does anyone know if he is like a High rank officer, and why only one wing?

    With the recent works of Elite figures I have to jump from 54 to 70mm, just have to take away my fears.

    Another must¡

    Eduardo.
  4. Roc Active Member

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    Hey Guy, that's a very nice figure, a must have,thanks for posting.


    Cheers

    Roc. :)
  5. caramba Well-Known Member

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    Poland
    amazing!! Polish Hussar - wow!!

    Cheers
    Marcin
  6. ArturM Well-Known Member

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    Wonderful figure!! :eek:
    greetings
  7. mkarnowka New Member

    Wonderful news! Whoever posted this image made my day. I'm going to get two, one to build, and one to have in my collection in case my skills get better so I can assemble/paint it again. The only two drawbacks are the current dollar vs. Euro regarding cost, and the fact that its not likely I'll come close to getting a finish like the one appearing in the photo. That won't stop my getting the two though. MK
  8. Jacek Spychalski Member

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    WOW ! I love this!!! thank You!!! (y) (y) (y)
  9. garyjd Well-Known Member

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    Polished winged hussars ROCK! What a great figure, almost reminds me of a dismounted version of the one Mike Blank did, although Mike's was mounted and as alway exceptionally done.~Gary
  10. dario966 New Member

    I like this figure but I wanted to seek second opinion and asked some frinds who know better:).
    Therefore I would like to post here comments from my friend who is a specialist on the Winged hussars. Radek Sikora, who has been long known as a passionate reanactor of the 17th century Polish hussar equipment and also a recognized writer/scholar, the author of numerous articles and books on the Hussaria eg. wrote "Husaria Phenomenon" pub. 2004 and is expecting his next book("Polish Army during 1626-29 war with Sweden") this June with foreword by prof. Robert Frost.
    Here are his comments:
    ...this hussar towarzysz (knight) is a very impressive figure and generally speaking he is ok historically. I only would like to state a few minor comments about some details of this figure:
    1. Color choices - a more typical color arrangement for the winged hussar was almost always crimson for his zhupan and yellow for his boots, very unlike the color choices made for this figure. It does not mean that the hussars could not have their zhupans of ... color (just a movement, what is this color? Not quite a dark green nor grayish green). Of course they could have picked this color (whatever it may be), but amongst the winged hussars, certainly it was crimson that dominated their color selection for clothes/uniforms while yellow was the one selected for their footwear.
    2. Leopard skin - I do have some comments about that leopard skin. First, I have never encountered or been familiar with a type of arrangement presented here i.e., the skin's textile lining actually protrudes from underneath the actual leopard skin. And in this figure, one part of the pin is attached to that very lining of the leopard skin – definitely incorrect. Secondly, the actual pin, securing the skin on the figure, is somewhat odd or strangely arranged. Truly, the pin's two parts are attached to skin (or more precisely here - to the lining of that skin) yet nothing connects these two elements of this pin! Normally, re-attachable chain was used to secure the two sides of the pin thus fastening the skin securely on hussar's shoulders. But without a chain, connecting these two elements of this pin attached to the skin/lining/, this leopard skin would have simply fallen off.
    3. I am also bothered a bit by the multitude of this figure's headgear. Why does he have this kolpack (fur-linned hat)on his head when he holds in his right hand his helmet (shishak)?
    4. The Wing - here is not mistake in construction, yet I would like to point to one important aspect of making choices to combine elements seemingly historically accurate. The wing used here for this hussar is not contemporaneous with the type of armor the figure is wearing. This wing belongs to the very late 17th century (or rather more correctly it is the 18th century creation)and his armor belongs to period of 1640-1670. Of course one could explain how this unlikely union occured – let us say that a hussar of 1690 possessed older version of the armor, but his wanting to be more fashionable (trendy) caused him to attach a new type of wing to his favorite armor :). Those things were possible, yet that would be some exceptional, extraordinary occurrence and definitely not a norm amongst the proud and truly richest elite of the Polish 17th century army that used to have the best horses, the best and most fashionable armor, most magnificent weapons, saddles, clothes, wings etc, and all that at the same time.
    But my comments given here do not change the generally very positive(high) mark I will give this figure. One last thing, it is a pity he is not mounted on a horse.
  11. Mike Blank New Member

    Hi guys!
    This looks like a great figure indeed, being one of my favourite subjects and also being sculpted by one of the best sculptors around!!!
    Yes you are right Gary, I did a 120mm version (mounted) back in 1998, in the same colour scheme.(thanks for the comments Gary!)
    The colours choosen here is depicting a hussar in mourning attire (these were even used in combat), hence the grey and black colours. This colours of this figure was based on an article in Military Illustrated mag (by R. Brezinski).
    I simply must buy this one, it looks to good to be missed...
    By the way, Elisena of Italy is very soon releasing a 54mm mounted hussar, sculpted by A.Iotti, this one also has one wing on his back.
    Happy painting
    Mike
  12. Einion Well-Known Member

    Hi Dariusz, interesting to read the comments from your friend. I see what he means about the attachments to the lining of the skin, I hadn't spotted that at all. The point about crimson for the zhupan is a good one, period illustrations appear to show the great predominance of this colour among the Polish nobility.

    The figure wearing a kuczma while holding the helmet is a common enough sort of thing we see in the hobby, to add colour and interest I guess. It is not as bad as the reverse we see too often - a figure has taken off his helm and there is no sign of what would be worn underneath :)

    I'm curious about the wing comment though, is it the forward-curving shape that is inaccurate for this period? The reason I ask is that there are wings of a similar style, on armour of this type, in plate F1 of the Osprey title Polish Armies 1569-1696 by Richard Brzezinski (dated 1672-83) and as well as this there are many photographs online of armour + wings of these approximate types together, although of course the wings could be later additions.

    Einion
  13. Patrick Kirk New Member

    whoa...some SERIOUS nit-picking...wont stop me from picking this beaut up!
  14. Guy A Fixture

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    I agree Patrick................alot of beautiful figures get picked apart on several forums. I learned long ago........if I like the figure.....the pose........the total scene..........I buy it regardless. Nothing is perfect.
  15. Patrick Kirk New Member

    I hear ya, Guy...me personally, I have too much respect for the sculptors of today and their ability to take a lump of putty and turn it into something with character and passion. Also, it just seems odd to me that unless someone was there, it’s difficult to speak from a position of authority on uniformology...I realize that there are many historical references, but they are just that, references, and to nail one as the definitive source, well, I think is presumptuous at best…
  16. Einion Well-Known Member

    Hey guys, 'nitpicking' and 'picked apart' have a very negative connotation and it's not a fair way to characterise the pointing out of historical errors in many cases. If you like a figure you like it, fair enough, but given we're doing historical models if something isn't historical it kinda fails in one of its primary goals don't you think? Granted, accuracy of various kinds is more important to some than it is to others - usually if one has a particular area of interest and knowledge they'll grate the most - but it's not fair to criticise people who do feel that way.

    As far as the point about references not possibly covering every wrinkle and option, that's certainly a valid point and one can extrapolate from the known and use educated guesswork to fill in gaps, combine disparate sources and so on, but outright invention should be avoided as much as possible... don't you think?

    It has seemed to be that when this sort of thing has come up in the past that the further back one goes the more inaccuracies tend to be let slide. and sometimes the errors pointed out may seem minor and insignificant if you're unfamiliar with the subject matter, but frequently they're not if you are; I don't know your favourite subject(s) but how would you feel about Napoleonic line infantry armed with matchlocks, or marines beside a Bradley armed with Krags? Neither would in any way be considered acceptable by anyone I'm sure, yet as exaggerated as these examples may seem in some cases there are much worse snafus in existing models.

    Einion
  17. Guayo New Member

    Thanks Dario for posting the comments of your friends, they really help me, I think you are right Einion, if somebody like the figure go for it and if you do not stay away from it, we are allowed to criticize the figures not the person who made it.
    I like the figure but with many great recent release from other companys, this figures is going to have to wait.

    I almost forgot, Richard Brzezinski is going to publish in the Osprey Warrior series one dedicated to "The Winged Horsemen" (2005)

    Eduardo.
  18. Patrick Kirk New Member

    Einion,
    My intention was not to make anyone a “victim” of their opinion, my only point is that when is enough enough..? I understand your exaggerated point, but have we become so critical of figgers that the next step is criticizing horses for not being anatomically correct? Come on, life isn’t perfect, history isn’t perfect, and neither are figgers; right?
  19. Figure Mad Well-Known Member

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    Hi Guys

    At the end of the day, in real life the guys uniform and weapons would only look like this and be in this arrangement before a battle, 10 minutes later, if you looked like this then you weren’t doing your job properly

    In my mind the figure is a beautifully sculpted figure and painted well, and I would buy it...

    nuff said

    Dave
  20. Patrick Kirk New Member

    Agree with you Dave on both accounts, no debate here...I know how quickly things can go south when you step into "bad guy territory" and certainly realize that a prestine uniform really isn't reality in armed conflict...
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