I hope I'm not breaking any rules about how many WIP threads a person can have going at the same time. But I thought this guy deserved his own thread, plus I was hoping some folks might offer their thoughts on a predicament in which I find myself. (I will work on my Marwari this weekend tho, thank goodness it's a holiday. Three whole days whoo hoo! lol!) So I've been working on the Chaos Knight while things dry or if I need a break from the Roaming Knight stuff. He's taken a huge leap forward so we need to drop a gear, pop the clutch and floor it. And yes, he is bright orange. The headline should probably read CARROT TOP JOINS FORCES OF CHAOS Or is that KAOS? I need to find my shoe phone. I should have been taking pics as I went but was focusing too much on the other work and didn't think about it. Bright orange has the following: Light Yellow Ocher, Colonial Raw Sienna, Brown Ocher, and Burnt Sienna - one layer each and when I say layer, I mean I've sealed and that starts a new one. A little darker with a layer of Environex Dark Brown. A layer of Colonial Warm Umber, then Dark Umber and a layer of Black 318. Note these are also the same colors and steps you use to get a nice dark bay. It's how and where you apply them that make for a dark shaded bay. If I was going for that color, I'd be putting the darker colors only in select spots and letting the lighter colors show through more. But I'm going for a certain effect and I'm getting close to achieving it. Very close. The above photos are after a second layer of Black 318. All right, now here's my reference horse - yes, I did find a real live horse to use as a reference for a Chaos horse. Pretty cool huh? This is another Gypsy Vanner (it's like I'm stuck on those recently lol!) But this is called a Silver Dapple or Chocolate Palomino or Sooty Palomino. They have a number of terms for the color. Note, just because this gal has dapples or tiny spots, doesn't mean they have to have them to be a Silver Dapple, it's just a term. But she's got 'em and she's pretty. Now it's a unique enough color, I thought it would be good for a Chaos horse since the color combination is unusual. Silver Dapple comes in a variety of shades with this color because of the dilution gene reacting on certain base colors. In this particular case, this horse is black and so you can see the results. It can act on a chestnut and whole mess of colors that I don't want to bore you with. Notice that I didn't go as dark as my reference. I still can, in fact I may decide to do that later (carefully) but for now I don't want the Chaos horse so dark that it's difficult to see all of that detail. But look closely at the mane and tail of the reference horse. It's full blown silver - here are two more pics of her: That is just about as silver as they come. So I went to work on Chaos horsie. First, i just did a basic black glaze on his mane. Now here's where it gets tough to photograph. In my new metallic pigments I have a color called Interference Blue. In certain light, and on top of a white or light color base coat, it looks like this. It looks just plain grayish and white - like all I did was apply a black glaze. But if I turn the horse slightly and get a different angle with the light.... Here's a better one: You see an iridescent blue. Here's another angle. Where I put the glaze, in the spots where it is darker, you can also more easily see an iridescent blue but otherwise, all you see is mane with black glaze that picks out the details. Now, i was a bit worried that this might be too cutesy, we don't want Chaos horse to think he can poop rainbows or anything. This is the first part of my predicament. One last important detail. The mane might look too pretty froo-froo but I'm changing his eyes too. I'm going to paint them solid black, no eye whites or scelera and then I'm going to put on the Iridescent Blue again...so this is what it will look like. Actually it should be stronger with the solid black eye base. I wasn't going to give him pupils but if I change my mind and paint them, they will be vertical. He's going to have dragon eyes. Also the marking on his neck, I'm going to put this Interference Blue color on that as well. The second part of my predicament is the stereotype. So many people when they see a Chaos model or just about any bad guy in general in the fantasy world, mounted on a horse, that horse is going to be a Nightmare - glowing red glyphs piercing his black skin, fiery hooves, flames coming out of his nostrils and burning eyes. And while I think the Nightmare is really cool - with all of them that have been done, especially as Chaos mounts....it's bloody BORING! That's why I started thinking blue and ice and cold and dark (and it's hot here so naturally I think of cold). But it seems the stereotype is so set in people's minds, they have difficulty with the non-nightmare mount being evil enough. It's just not mean and bad and frightening. I don't have an interference color for red but I do have some pretty metallics that will work for fire a bright Aztec Gold, Super Copper and Super Bronze. I used these as a test model, and then on the underside of the horse's mane...but to me that's even more froo-froo than the blue. I mean it's cool but too fancy. I thought I'd listen to various thoughts and opinions about the subject. I'd love to get a discussion going. What do y'all think? ETA: Pic for thumbnail.