African-German Soldiers in the German Armies...:

Discussion in 'German Empire' started by Martin Rohmann, Jun 5, 2020.

  1. Martin Rohmann A Fixture

    Country:
    Germany
    Only regular army units and no colonial troops (askaris) were taken into account.


    A. Old Armies of German States:

    1. Prussian Kettledrummer between 1691 and 1701:

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    2. Prussian Regimental Musician of Prussian Giant Guard, 1735:

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    3. One of twelve "Moores", which were part of the selling price of the Churbrandenburgischen Großfriedrichtsburg fortress to the Dutch East Indian Company in 1717, in the contract said that the Dutch had to "provide 12 Negro boys, six of whom are said to be adorned with gold chains":

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    4. Hessian regimental drummers in America 1774:

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    5. Hessian Regimental Drummer 1789:

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    6. Prussian Bosniak, 1700

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    7. Prussian military musician (Hoboist), Berlin 1690

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  2. Martin Rohmann A Fixture

    Country:
    Germany
    B. German Empire:

    1. Gustav Sabac el Cher (1868 - 1934), conductor with the Grenadier Regiment "King Friedrich III." (1st East Prussian) No. 1 in Königsberg.

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    Painting of him with his later Wife, Gertrude Perling, by Emil Doerstling:

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    2. Kettledrummer of the trumpet corps of the Garde-Leibhusaren Regiment, Potsdam 1909

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    3. Ben Aissa (Moroccan), bell bearer of the 1. Garderegiment zu Fuß, Preußen from 1905 - 1919, Postsdam

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    4. Elo Wilhelm Sambo (the middle name was given to him by Kaiser Wilhelm II who took over his sponsorship) from Cameroon, kettledrum at the equestrian regiment No. 4 during the Weimar Republic, Cologne.

    The following picture shows him in 1920 ...:

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    Here you can see him in the 20s in fancy uniform as a pioneer of a carnival parade, also in Cologne ...:

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    (Maybe No. 2 could also be Sambo!)


    5. Name unknown, 25th Landwehr Infantry Regiment, Koblenz 1916:

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    6. Joseph Mambo (Cameroon), Kettledrumer of the Mounted Grenadier Regiment ‘Freiherr von Derfflinger’ No. 3:

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  3. Martin Rohmann A Fixture

    Country:
    Germany
    C. German Wehrmacht, World War II

    1.Alioune Ngom, German Wehrmacht, command of German-Arab troops (special association "KODAT"), photos from September 1943, Greece ...:

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    2. Unknown name, German Wehrmacht, 369th Croatian Infantry Regiment (re-established):

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    3. Name unknown, German Wehrmacht (unit unknown) Czechoslovakia 1945:

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    4. German Officer with Knights Cross, name unknown:

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    5. German Wehrmacht, volunteer unit "Free India", France 1944:

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    6. Unknown Soldier of the German Luftwaffe:

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    7. Unknown Feldwebel of the German Wehrmacht, Panzergrenadier:

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    8. Unknown Soldier of the German Wehrmacht, Infantry:

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    9. German Wehrmacht, volunteer unit "Freie Arabische Legion", Africa 1942, later then German-Arab Battalion 845, deployed in the Caucasus and later in Italy ...:

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  4. Martin Rohmann A Fixture

    Country:
    Germany
    D. Modern German Armies:

    1. Soldiers from Angola serving in the Nationale Volksarmee, German Democratic Republic 80's:

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    2. Captain Ntagahoraho Burihabwa, Deutsche Bundeswehr Panzergrenadiere:

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    3. First Lieutenant Catherine Haag, Luftwaffe replenishment and transport squadron

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    4. Captain Burihabwa and First Lieutenant Haag tgogether with an unknown female navy officer:

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    5. Unknown navy sailor:

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    Cheers
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  5. valiant A Fixture

    Country:
    United-Kingdom
    I was under the impression that the Bosniak Lancers were recruited from Bosnia (hence the name) in the former Ottoman Empire in the Balkans...?
  6. Martin Rohmann A Fixture

    Country:
    Germany
    Hi Steve!

    They came from Albania, the Ottoman Empire (including North Africa and Arabia), Poland and Tatar areas. The name "Bosniaks" (= "Bosnians") is misleading; it is controversial today whether Bosnians belonged to this unit at all.

    North Africans could have been there.


    Cheers
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  7. Nap A Fixture

    Country:
    England
    Hi Martin

    Great thread perhaps you might like to split the thread down to fit into the sections in Referencs forum ( atm in German Empire as there's sone from the period )

    Nap
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  8. Mirofsoft A Fixture

    Country:
    Belgium
    Perhaps the same that invaded Kolwezi in 1978, led by Cuban NCO and DDR CO


    Liked your posts very much
    In all Europe, armies bands were colourfull, adding Africans showed a supplementary touch of exotism and that they had colonies far and away .

    Thanks for collationning the infos
    Best
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  9. valiant A Fixture

    Country:
    United-Kingdom
    Thanks for clarifying, Martin(y)
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  10. Martin Rohmann A Fixture

    Country:
    Germany
    I'm still looking for a certain picture - maybe someone can help me:

    During the Seven Years' War between (1756 and 1763) there is said to have been an African born Kettledrummer in the 5th Prussian Cuirassier Regiment.

    I have pretty good sources, but I can't find anything there.

    Does anyone have a picture showing this man...?

    Cheers
  11. hall-moye@msn.com PlanetFigure Supporter

    Country:
    United-States
    What a great set of pics!
  12. theBaron A Fixture

    Country:
    United-States

    That's interesting, if it's true. And it would be well in keeping with the style of the "Mad Margrave" that he'd have such a flashy drummer in his regiment's "Musik".
    Looking in my copy of Bleckwenn, though, he makes no mention of it. I'll have to look and see what I might be able to find.

    Prost!
    Brad
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  13. theBaron A Fixture

    Country:
    United-States
    I put the question out to my network, and in a response to a Facebook post, Daniel Hohrath's "Uniforms of the Prussian Army", vol 1, is cited as the source for this item. I don't yet have the book; it's on my wish list at Berliner Zinnfiguren. My guess is that there is no illustration of the black kettledrummer in the book. Still looking...

    Prost!
    Brad

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