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U-Boat Commander preorder

Discussion in 'Figure News' started by Pathos Miniatures, Mar 16, 2014.

  1. Pathos Miniatures Active Member

    Our goal is to produce quality busts with logical prices for normal hobby fans that want to relax by painting and do not
    really care for all this detail frenzy.
    a big thanks to all of you for your support so far...
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  2. Sturm Grenadier Well-Known Member

    Country:
    United-States
    Pathos Miniatures said: "After all its a matter of minutes to remove the insignia if you don't like them" For me, I don't mind doing conversion work, but what about the people who do??? Martin said: "Sorry, a bit of research could have helped" I agree with Martin on this one. When I purchase a bust/figure, historical accuracy is a big part of it. If this bust was called "Erich Topp U-Boat Commander", the "generic" issue, would not be there. Or as another "generic" bust, by having different shoulder boards, you could have simply titled it "U552 U-Boat Crewman", or "U552 U-Boat Lookout". Pathos Miniatures make some nice looking busts, but on this one, your research falls a little short. Regards, SG
  3. bonehead A Fixture

    Country:
    United-States
    I have to agree. The real argument here is not with the "research", but with the word "commander" in the title. If you call him
    "deck officer" and change the ranking on his shoulder boards, everything else would be fine. In fact, it would be all the better since the peaked cap with its white cover was the usual wear for a U-Boat commander when at sea - and this guy is NOT wearing one...... !

    The only thing which makes him a "commander" is calling him that in the title. Lose the word, lose the problem. However, if we are to call ourselves "historical modelers" then this rather nonchalant attitude toward historical accuracy is troubling to me......
  4. Dimmu Borgir Active Member

    Country:
    Greece
    Dear SturmGrenadier, i respect you as well (since you belong to the "few" i mentioned in my previous post) and i did a full research for Erich Topp.The fact is that he is not Topp since Andrew wanted something more generic. We do not try to present black for white ,he is more a generic bust than a certain character.The matter of the shoulder boards is mot really a major issue since many Kapitan Leutnants served in the Kriegsmarine U-boat flotigla and any other u-boat insignia can be painted.The cap insignia is very specific i agree it is only for the previous commanders but as i mentioned before it is really a matter of seconds to scrape it off and the only reason we left it is because there is a slight(not full) likeness with Topp.
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  5. Pathos Miniatures Active Member

  6. Martin64 A Fixture

    Country:
    Germany
    This small badge is probably faster removed for the sake of proper historical research than the time needed to write all these messages :rolleyes: - nice bust and btw white and blue caps or "Schirmmuetzen" for officers of the German Navy were regular issues - the white cap was initially reserved for service in warm climate zones overseas but used also to seperate a commander visually from fellow officers onboard of larger warships. The U-Boat-Crews copied that habit just for making fun given the small size of an U-Boat-Crew who lived very closely together while onboard and so everybody knew the commander quite well.... they at last had some sense of humor:D
    Cheers, Martin
  7. Helm A Fixture

    Country:
    England
    Would have saved all this trouble if you'd sculpted a British Submariner :whistle:
    Steve
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  8. JasonB Moderator

    Country:
    United-States
    JasonB as for the left/right hand photographic evidence was provided but i guess it was fiction too.And nobody forced you to bye from as.

    Obviously, since I didn't, wouldn't and won't buy it.
    If you are going to do "generic" figures, do generic figures. If you are going to do a generic figure, then add incorrect details specific to real life (and yes, specific movie characters are real life), well, have fun. Just call them fantasy figs and be done with it. Why do historical research and then go against it by adding fantasy details. Oh well, to each their own. Same old argument, lather, rinse , repeat.
  9. Pathos Miniatures Active Member

    no problem Jason..
    You can just ignore us and dont bother commenting again,
    Of course we will continue on producing "fantasy " busts as we see fit .
    Thank you for your sincere criticism..
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  10. Babelfish A Fixture

    Country:
    United-Kingdom
    Quarrels over historical accuracy aside, it's a quality sculpt. Even if it does look a bit like the actor Woody Harrelson (to my eye anyway).

    I might even pick one up myself, it'd look well alongside my Revell 1/72 U-Boat.

    I seem to recall Andrea (at least I think it was Andrea - it could have been Beneito) doing a bust of Erich Topp a good few years ago, depicting him in a more relaxed pose, wearing his peaked cap while smiling and leaning on his periscope. A bit of a "character" piece and arguably a better likeness of Erich Topp. But I think that overall, this one is a 'finer' sculpt.

    - Steve
  11. JasonB Moderator

    Country:
    United-States
    Oh, by your leave, thanks. But I think if I want to comment I shall continue doing so. Perhaps if criticism of your work is not to your liking, you should not ask for opinions other than "attaboy". So a sincere "attaboy" from me, keep up the great work...
  12. housecarl Moderator

    Country:
    United-Kingdom
    This has rings of Pathos's snipers left hand right hand debate.:cautious:
    Excellent sculpt, for a German.;)
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  13. Collin S. New Member

    Country:
    United-States
    Nice sculpt:) I like the U-boat war badge nice detail add on.
    Thank you for sharing!

    Nonetheless wouldn't worry about any inaccuracy's, looks to be a damn fine sculpt and would be a great addition to anyone's collection.
  14. Nap Moderator

    Country:
    England
    Hi Guys ,

    Intersting comments from all , looks to be a nice sculpt .....I will be reviewing this pice for Pathos so stand by !!!

    Nap
  15. colonnello kurz Active Member

    Country:
    Australia
    I like it good job as usual...have a little error, but is a very nice bust expecially for the "unusual" (unusual for a U-Boot commander sculpture) cap ....but i dont understand when a producer ,post his stuff in a forum and after go angry when start some critics,if you dont want critics ,you buy a banner ,and you advertise your stuff there,like this you dont have any critics,you cant pretend just "i like it".

    We do historical figures, is normal we are critic in this kind details,we all have a big passion for History .

    Sorry for my bad english!!
  16. Nap Moderator

    Country:
    England
    Hi Guys ,

    Here is a great site about the U boats(listing over 900 insignia/emblems) and everything else to do with them .
    www.uboataces.com



    U-boat insignias and emblems were popularly sported by U-boat crews during the war. Emblems and insignias were an expression of individualism or they could also sometimes be representative of some sort of feature of meaning connected to their boat. Propaganda and superstitious influence also came into play, with some sporting the clover for good luck, or cupid for a good shot. One of the more well known emblems is the golden horseshoe by Otto Kretschmer. The horseshoe was welded with the opening facing downwards for good luck, and ironically, the destroyer that sank his boat, also bored a horseshoe for good luck, but it was facing upwards.
    Before the war, U-boat numerals were painted in large white letters about 1.5 meters tall on the conning tower. At the outbreak of war, however, these numeral markings were discontinued and all boats were painted an overall neutral gray in order to keep the enemy guessing about the deployment of the U-boat force. It didn't take long however, before U-boat crews began adopting insignias and emblems as a means of self expression and individualism.
    In addition to U-Boat emblems, each graduating class from U-Boat academy also chose an emblem. The crew of 1936 chose the Olympic Rings, in reference to the 1936 Olympic Games in Munich. An upright dagger through a wedding ring was chosen for the crew of 1937, and was characterized as "First win, then marry!". Even U-boat flotillas had emblems. The 7th U-flotilla adopted the snorting bull after Gunther Prien's boat while the 9th flotilla had the laughing sawfish as its emblem.
    However, not all boats had emblems, while some boats had more than one emblem. For example, a boat could display its flotilla emblem, the graduating class emblem and the boat's individual emblem. When a new commander took over a boat, he would just add his own emblem rather than replace the existing emblem and risk losing the old luck. U-boat insignias were also worn on uniforms, sewn onto caps and even imprinted on items such as mugs and badges.
    With the advent of the true submarine, such as the Types XXI and XXIII, which spent most of their time underwater, these boats rarely surfaced and thus together with it, the colorful naval tradition of the U-Boat insignias began to fade out.

    Here is a couple from the site u-boat-insignia.jpg

    Nap
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  17. faust18 Active Member

    3D sculpting, nothing at all to do with it but its sure to start a bun fight , I 'get' likeness in the bottom off set jaw but the guy is 20 pounds heavier than Topp its just an argument over labelling, As a punter , stand, u boat badge bonus! I like the denims thatl be a joy to weather, side caps. Wernt worn by upper ranks, silly sausage! That badge would be off in a flick and making a new tinnie would be fun with green stuff, if everybody did that that would add interest, mick =)
  18. faust18 Active Member

    <p>3D SCULPTING absolutly nothing to do with it but it always brews a good bun fight up.As a punter, base and badge included bonus! The bust is great , with the emblem I 'get ' the argument but those tinnies would be easy to make and fun in green stuff, its the historical person pertayl thats clashing , the side cap was worn by uppr ranks just piped, I like it and will buy, mick
  19. rafaelega Active Member

    Country:
    Spain
    Hi. I am sorry but i do not know what kind of problem it is.
    Several makers made their bust and figures. We can buy it or not.
    I am WWII militaria and medal collector and if I look for perfection in each model I probably must do my own figures.
    The question I wish to analize here is mainly the model (also the history of course) and at this time I do not have a pic with the model but only 3D CAD pics.
    I think this 3D pics are nice but I wish to have a look to the resin piece not the concept pics.
    Please may you show us the final bust?
    Thanks
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  20. rafaelega Active Member

    Country:
    Spain
    No pics? I am really interested in this bust but I need to see the resin bust pics in order to decide if I buy it or not....

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