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One for judges/show organisers

Discussion in 'General Figure Talk' started by Banjer, Nov 16, 2019.

  1. Banjer A Fixture

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    England
    This query is out of curiosity only as I have never competed and don't plan to start.
    I am about to start a Pilipili Daimyo and I am replacing the sword blade with a homemade aluminium one. This got me thinking, if I entered it in competition would it have to go in the converted/ scratchbuilt class? Is a figure that is modified even in a minor way excluded from the " from the box" class?

    As I say just curious but intrigued to know.

    Bill
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  2. Nap Moderator

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    England
    Hi Bill

    A good question personally I would say OOB but just add a note on entry paperwork ...think it's a thing at the time ....some swords are delicate in resin and better replacing

    Lpok forward to seeing your work begin on this bust it's a cracker

    Nap
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  3. Forté A Fixture

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    Changing a weapon blade because the original isn't good enough for you shouldn't be an issue as it isn't a big part and I'm guessing you're mimicking the original anyway.

    And truthfully, it's unlikely once paint is on that majority of judges will even notice and over 90% of the bust will be out of the box anyway.

    And like Nap about. I'm interested to see it as it's not one I know and have a soft spot for samurai.
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  4. Banjer A Fixture

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    England
    Here it is. daimyo.jpg
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  5. Forté A Fixture

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    Ah yes, I know the one. Rare to see it.

    Replacing the katana blade won't get you disqualified. I know someone who did that on another bust for an IPMS competition.
  6. elanlane13 A Fixture

    Country:
    England
    It is very rare for a figure with additions or conversions be ejected from a stock figure class. These classes are judged mostly on the quality of painting and assembly (eg no gaps, mould lines removed, no glue marks, figure settled into the base etc). Entering a figure with minor improvements or conversion to a converted/scratchbuilt class will do less well because here the sculpting/converting work carries higher marks.
    When judging a converted/scratchbuilt class and faced with an entry with only minor conversion, I have on several occasions, taken it over to the stock painted class judges to ask them if it it would get a better award in their class. If they say yes I hand it over to them.
    I find it reprehensible when judges disqualify entries. People do put things in the wrong classes sometimes and it can, on occasion, be because they can't be bothered to read the rules, but it doesn't take too much effort for a judge to move the piece to the correct class.
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  7. Banjer A Fixture

    Country:
    England
    Thank you all for your clear and concise answers. This forum really is the fount of all knowledge. Looking forward to putting some faces to names at Bugle Call.

    Bill
  8. Kevtk135 Active Member

    I don't think there's anything wrong with replacing one blade with a better homemade one. Sometimes it could be to your benefit when it comes down to your model vs another when you have accurized the blade and the other guy didn't. I would write down the change on the form.
    OOB means just that. You use nothing but what came in the box. And in IPMS competitions if the blade was replace then it's no longer OOB and would probably be moved from the OOB category into another. But in all honesty OOB categories are few and far between.
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  9. Mirofsoft A Fixture

    Country:
    Belgium
    All busts must compete in one and only class dedicated to busts IMHO
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  10. theBaron A Fixture

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    United-States
    Yeah, replacing the sword blade would not get you moved from our (that is, the MFCA) Painters division into the Open division.

    Prost!
    Brad
  11. theBaron A Fixture

    Country:
    United-States
    Just remember that IPMS is three-quarters PMS.

    Prost!
    Brad
  12. Forté A Fixture

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    United-Kingdom
    But how do you judge historical busts against fantasy busts?

    I've seen what happens when non-fantasy or non-historical judges asses the opposite subjects. It's not pretty. Even worse is scale modellers judging fantasy painting.

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