W and N oil paint set ?

Discussion in 'Painting Techniques' started by samson, Apr 21, 2017.

  1. samson Well-Known Member

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    United-States
    Would this be a descent first set to get it would be $ 24 US dollars . I also have a few fantasy colors from abseiling any thoughts would be appreciated. Also does any one use the other brand in the pic . I'm close to starting in the hobby again . But will be getting my feet wet with some plastic kits first . So it will be a while before i start buying more oil paint . Also any thoughts on brush sizes i should start with . I cant get the series 7 line yet but want the brushes from w and n . IMG_0589.JPG IMG_0591.JPG
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  2. ivopreda A Fixture

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    Italy
    winton is the low cost version of the better Windsor & Newton oil colors...

    I never been able to use them
  3. Tecumsea PlanetFigure Supporter

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    England
    Avoid the winton series as they are really student colours and priced for that market.
    You are better off buying a small number of artists oils and slowly expanding your range as needed. It is surprising how few colours you can manage with.

    Keith
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  4. samson Well-Known Member

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    United-States
    Thanks guys . Hey ivopreda do you mean not being able to use the Winton paints or the other brand pictured ? And tecumsea thanks for your thoughts . That sounds the better way to go then .
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  5. RobertC33 Well-Known Member

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    Sorry off topic.
  6. theBaron Well-Known Member

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    United-States
    If I were considering buying that set, I'd want some black and some white, too, if I didn't already have any. That's regardless of the brand, I'm just considering what I can see of that set in your photo.

    Prost!
    Brad
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  7. Bob Orr Active Member

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    United-Kingdom
    Pigments are too course for figure use with Winton and these would just frustrate you to death. Think the Van Gogh are better if it is the artist quality range and not student quality. Bob
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  8. clrsgt A Fixture

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    United-States
    Go with the regular WN oils and not the Winton. I'm not familiar with the Van Gogh colors.
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  9. Stelios Demiras Well-Known Member

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    Greece
    These oil colours are ok for vehicle weathering, general washes, dry brushing stone, soil washes etc. but for figure painting are not. You will see the pigment dots when dried. Try W&N artists series or Rembrandt from Talens. You can start with a limited basic palette and as they are very good and pure enough you can mix them and succeed very good results. And as a tube lasts for centuries the money investment will be worth purchasing expensive paints and brushes.

    regards
    Stelios
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  10. Jay-BFG Active Member

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  11. Tecumsea PlanetFigure Supporter

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    England
    As a lower cost artist quality paint I also find Rembrandt by Talens to be very good quality. I have a mix of W&N, Rembrandt and Old Holland. I also have the Mars colours from the Rowney range because W&N seemed to drop them from their catalogue.

    Keith
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  12. polyphemus Well-Known Member

    You will need to bear in mind that artist's quality oils vary in price depending on the pigment, even within the same manufacturers range. For example the earth colours, umbers, ochres etc are considerably cheaper than cadmium reds & yellows.
    When working with restricted palettes you may also need to consider that most colours have a slight bias toward a secondary colour . For example blues can have a slight green or purple bias as also can reds with orange or purple and yellows can tend toward orange or green. These can be slight but may result in colour mixes which are slightly muddy. There is a guide published called blue & yellow don't make green written by Michael Willcox which may be helpful.

    Geoff
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  13. ivopreda A Fixture

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    Italy
    in my palette I've different brands like Schminke Mussini, Rembrabd and windsor&newton.

    Not winton that are a student class oils and Van Gogh that I don't know

    in many topics Planeters describe the difference between artist class and student oils... select your palette and buy the best colors you can.

    I'm painting since 40 years in oils and i consumed very few colors
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  14. Chrisr PlanetFigure Supporter

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    Australia

    Well worth the money which highlights the different colours of red, blue and yellow that Geoff mentions and plenty of colour exercise charts.
    https://www.amazon.com/Blue-Yellow-Dont-Make-Green/dp/0967962870

    Chris
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  15. samson Well-Known Member

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    United-States
    Thank you for all the thoughts and info . Great stuff . Thanks also for the link .
  16. TERRYSOMME1916 Active Member

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    United-Kingdom
    Hi I have been using oils for many years and I have also turned to fellow planeteers for advice, I have used a mixture of Winton and W&N Artists grade but it would be better to use only Artists quality paints, I recently bought a set of Rembrandt by Talens oils of Amazon for about £35 there were 10no 15ml tubes incorporating enough colours to get you up and running, I have been using them for a few weeks now and dont see a big difference between them and the W&N Artists oils however no matter what brand you use there are all sorts of tricks that need to be used when painting figures in order to get the paint to flow and blend and achieve the correct effects on clothing/leather etc, there are plenty of tips to be found on these pages but experimentation is a big factor in order to find the result that your happy with.
    I am still trying to find mine lol, good luck with the oils.
    TERRY
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  17. pkessling Member

    As everyone has said, stick with the artist grade paints. I used all of the brands mentioned including Rembrandt. I preferred certain colors from particular manufacturers.
    Always put your paint out on note cards, will soak out the excess oil that is prominent in some tubes. Like Ivo said, most colors will last a life time. The few that I replaced are "go to" colors: Titanium white, burnt sienna, burnt umber, etc.
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  18. samson Well-Known Member

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    United-States
    Thanks for the info
  19. samson Well-Known Member

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    United-States
    Yesterday i found the oil tubes i bought awhile ago . They are Winton and some ( grumbacher ? ) i will play with these for a bit before moving forward . Thanks all .

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